Octopus Overlords

Unagi wrote:Lewis' numbers may not work. So we may not really be waiting for him to say anything.

true. Has everyone checked in that could be Lewis?

I still haven't caught all the way up but I'm staring to agree with Scoop a bit today.

Chaosraven (0): Lassr, theohall, Unagi, msteelers, Unagi
theohall (1): Scoop20906
Grundbegriff (1): Remus West, Unagi, theohall
Unagi (0): Grundbegriff

Majority is five

What are the odds that chaosraven is DOR-15 and scanned Uncle Art Newcastle the first night?

Regardless, I've moved chaosraven off of my suspect list for obvious reasons, and can't see myself voting for him unless Lewis steps forward with some information. Right now I think theohall is our safest bet today. I'm going to withhold voting for him though, and give Lewis a chance to step forward if he has enough information. I'll make sure to check back in here sometime before I leave, and if Lewis hasn't made himself known then I'll register my vote.

Didn't we begin in daytime with a grounding of Lagom? If the scanner is allowed to scan OR kidnap, and scoop was informed of a success is protection, scanner (if the remaining evil) did not scan.

Chaosraven wrote:Didn't we begin in daytime with a grounding of Lagom? If the scanner is allowed to scan OR kidnap, and scoop was informed of a success is protection, scanner (if the remaining evil) did not scan.

Was scoop informed? I must have missed that.

msteelers wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Didn't we begin in daytime with a grounding of Lagom? If the scanner is allowed to scan OR kidnap, and scoop was informed of a success is protection, scanner (if the remaining evil) did not scan.

Was scoop informed? I must have missed that.

Yep, I sure was. Baddies could not have got a scan on Night One since they got blocked by me when attacking Remus and on Night Two they attacked and grounded Newcastle in lieu of a scan. Chaos could be faking Uncle Art but he would be gambling that Stessier was Uncle Art and chose not to announce it when he was grounded by vote or that Newcastle is Uncle Art.

I don't believe the baddie is informed of the secret role of a person the ground.

Isgrimnur wrote:

Grundbegriff wrote:BTW: Isgrimnur: Is Wilbur told if he successfully defended by night?

Yes, he is informed that he successfully defended his protection target.

And here is where Scoop confirms that he was informed.

Disregard my paranoia.

We should ask, of course.

Isgrimnur, Are the evil team told the exact role of their Kidnap Victim?

I'm down with testing Grund or Theohall.

Unagi wrote:We should ask, of course.

Isgrimnur, Are the evil team told the exact role of their Kidnap Victim?

I'm down with testing Grund or Theohall.

Yes, the kidnapper is informed the name and role of who he kidnapped.

Isgrimnur wrote:Yes, the kidnapper is informed the name and role of who he kidnapped.

Oh boy.

Well.

Alright, well I'm on my way out the door and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to check in over the weekend. Right now here is where I stand:

My suspect list would be Theohall, Grund, and Qantaga. We can't assume that Chaos is telling the truth, but we can't ground him either. Same thing with Lassr, no matter how unlikely it is that he is our last bad guy.

 Theohall 
 

Unagi wrote:We should ask, of course.

Isgrimnur, Are the evil team told the exact role of their Kidnap Victim?

I'm down with testing Grund or Theohall.

Damn, I thought about asking but ... good one, Unagi. That changes things greatly. Chaosraven could in fact be spoofing Uncle Art if Newcastle was his target last night.

Interesting...

I am okay with being grounded. Just be sure to get the doggone bad guy.

I'll test em.

If he's evil - big kudos for where and the manner in which he put his vote on Lagom.

The sober theohall is never a good sign though... Boredom being, I suppose, his only cover.

 Theohall 
 

Ok, I guess we are still waiting on Grund to comment on if he is Lewis and made the scans right? Everyone else has checked in.

 withdraw theohall 
 

Hmm, just trying to decide if the Chaos thing is still a thing.

Unagi wrote: withdraw theohall 
 

Hmm, just trying to decide if the Chaos thing is still a thing.

It depends. Do you think Chaos would claim a role and not point out that in fact he could be spoofing the role and hope we didn't think to check the rulez for if the baddie receives the role of their victim? Chaos is pretty thorough when he gets to his analysis yet he didn't point this critical point out. I was ignorant of it and didn't due my due diligance. Thanks to Unagi for being thorough. That's a goodie point in his favor and black mark against chaos.

Should we consider asking lewis to scan newcastle to verify Chaos isn't spoofing?

Issy, can Lewis scan a grounded player?

Scoop20906 wrote:Issy, can Lewis scan a grounded player?

Initial DM fiat: Lewis can scan any player "still in the house". This would allow a scan of a grounded Robinson, but not a grounded, escaped baddie or a kidnapped player, as they are no longer co-located and accessible.

Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

My Tools:

Escaped Baddie:
Lagom Lite

Grounded:
Newcastle
stessier

Good (Unconfirmed):
Scoop20906 (uncontested) - Wilbur
Chaosraven (uncontested) - Uncle Art
Remus West (per Scoop's protection)

Unknown Leaning Good:
Lassr (due to name thingy)

Unknown Leaning Baddie:
Qantaga
Unagi
msteelers
theohall
Grundbegriff

Just a thought, if Lewis does decided to announce himself and his scans then we must make him today's grounded vote which gives him the opportunity to pass the scanner to a known good player.

Since we haven't heard from Lewis I can assume that his scans aren't that useful today.

Isgrimnur wrote:

Unagi wrote:We should ask, of course.

Isgrimnur, Are the evil team told the exact role of their Kidnap Victim?

I'm down with testing Grund or Theohall.

Yes, the kidnapper is informed the name and role of who he kidnapped.

hmph. Sort of screws up my claim proof. Did it say that in the rules?

Scoop20906 wrote:Just a thought, if Lewis does decided to announce himself and his scans then we must make him today's grounded vote which gives him the opportunity to pass the scanner to a known good player.

Since we haven't heard from Lewis I can assume that his scans aren't that useful today.

no, if Lewis announces, you protect him.

Lewis did not scan *any* of (unagi, msteelers, theohall, or grund)???

It did not, unfortunately. My apologies.

From a game standpoint, these people are all alive and being held. It would be pretty obvious who they were rather than random villager snack #5.

Isgrimnur wrote:As you enter the dining room for breakfast, you see that someone isn't with you. Doing a quick review of your costume notes, it appears that Newcastle is missing. You're sure that he's probably just stepped out for an errand or something and will hopefully be back soon.

Isgrimnur wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Issy, can Lewis scan a grounded player?

Initial DM fiat: Lewis can scan any player "still in the house". This would allow a scan of a grounded Robinson, but not a grounded, escaped baddie or a kidnapped player, as they are no longer co-located and accessible.

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

No, Lewis cannot scan Newcastle. Newcastle is missing - otherwise known as kidnapped.

In which case, I believe Unagi or Msteelers is the better choice today.

Scoop20906 wrote:My Tools:

Escaped Baddie:
Lagom Lite

Grounded:
Newcastle
stessier

Good (Unconfirmed):
Scoop20906 (uncontested) - Wilbur
Chaosraven (uncontested) - Uncle Art
Remus West (per Scoop's protection)

Unknown Leaning Good:
Lassr (due to name thingy)

Unknown Leaning Baddie:
Qantaga
Unagi
msteelers
theohall
Grundbegriff

Chaosraven needs to be moved. CR could be spoofing Uncle Art.

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

OK, as Theohall pointed out that isgrimnur pointed out - we actually cannot scan Newcastle, since he is 'kidnapped'.

Second though, if we could, the whole plan hinged on using Lewis' scan tonight to pick between his Unknown#2 and Unknown#3... not to see if Newcastle was Uncle A.

That is just academic though, cause we can't scan Newcastle.

Scoop20906 wrote:Just a thought, if Lewis does decided to announce himself and his scans then we must make him today's grounded vote which gives him the opportunity to pass the scanner to a known good player.

I'm just not sure how well this plan was read by you.

It hinges on Lewis scanning tonight, and you protecting him.


... and yes, him having scans that result in that even being meaningful.

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

Even if possible that would just be silly. If we doubt Chaosraven's claim then we would scan Chaosraven not try and catch him with an end around.

Chaosraven wrote:In which case, I believe Unagi or Msteelers is the better choice today.

One of the things I did notice rereading was that msteelers placed his vote on Lagom at a time when I was the largest train and msteelers vote brought it into a tie. He could easily have placed a vote on me or anyone else without creating the difficulties for side Evil that Lagom's growing train presented.

Also, if Lewis has not scanned anyone from that subgroup then why would we not go after one of that subgroup and thus make it smaller?

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

Even if possible that would just be silly. If we doubt Chaosraven's claim then we would scan Chaosraven not try and catch him with an end around.

I was just thinking...

Scoop20906 wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Ok, Thanks Issy. Lewis can scan Newcastle tonight if we decide to go that route.

Even if possible that would just be silly. If we doubt Chaosraven's claim then we would scan Chaosraven not try and catch him with an end around.

I was just thinking...

[Unagi]Don't hurt yourself[/Unagi]

Remus West wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:In which case, I believe Unagi or Msteelers is the better choice today.

One of the things I did notice rereading was that msteelers placed his vote on Lagom at a time when I was the largest train and msteelers vote brought it into a tie. He could easily have placed a vote on me or anyone else without creating the difficulties for side Evil that Lagom's growing train presented.

Also, if Lewis has not scanned anyone from that subgroup then why would we not go after one of that subgroup and thus make it smaller?

I don't think Lewis is going to speak up. Unless its Grund and he hasn't read any of this yet, we should be voting someone tonight.

So, the question is is there someone I should be protecting tonight (perhaps Chaosraven) or should I self-protect?

I would let them take out myself or Chaosraven in favor of protecting someone you felt strongly may be Lewis. The down side of that is if you are correct and Lewis gets exposed the next day you won't be able to protect him that night. So you decide. If they take out any of {Scoop, Choasraven, Remus West} they are not making a move towards winning.

Remus West wrote:I would let them take out myself or Chaosraven in favor of protecting someone you felt strongly may be Lewis. The down side of that is if you are correct and Lewis gets exposed the next day you won't be able to protect him that night. So you decide. If they take out any of {Scoop, Choasraven, Remus West} they are not making a move towards winning.

That depends alot on who we ground today. My vote is still for theohall. msteelers is 2nd on my list.

theohall wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:My Tools:

Escaped Baddie:
Lagom Lite

Grounded:
Newcastle
stessier

Good (Unconfirmed):
Scoop20906 (uncontested) - Wilbur
Chaosraven (uncontested) - Uncle Art
Remus West (per Scoop's protection)

Unknown Leaning Good:
Lassr (due to name thingy)

Unknown Leaning Baddie:
Qantaga
Unagi
msteelers
theohall
Grundbegriff

Chaosraven needs to be moved. CR could be spoofing Uncle Art.

I could be spoofing Wilbur also. We both claimed roles have in no way been proven.