Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

[Unagi]

Wow. I think this is the first time that I've missed a train, only to have someone try to throw me under the bus. I'm so sorry that I didn't adhere to triggercut's talking points memo yesterday and march lockstep with everyone else.

Yeah, Scoop's got to go. I don't need anyone to hold my hand on that one. As my only manner to affect that is by voting, I'll leave the shoot/strangle/Death of a Thousand Papercuts decision to those with a higher pay grade.

I'd actually like to hear a whole lot more from you right now Isgrimnur.

[LordMortis]

Trig, why are you giving no attention to LM's "oops I put CR within reach of R2D2 moment". For him to join the CD lynch, alone, on it's absurd merrits, I found that odd as hell - for it to put him into reach of R2D2 is nearly inexcusable.
(LM's only imperial moments are when he keeps talking about going back and finishing on Scoop)

There's the unagi we come to expect to see. There was no oops but you're making things up goes a long way to determining direction. I had no idea where I was on the vote and didn't care. CR basically said he wasn't going to be around but then he was around and saying nothing. I could have been putting at "n-2" and not cared. We had already backed off of Scoop, so I didn't care. You are right that my vote on raven is most definitely not an imperial moment, but what are you gonna do? How do you see yesterday going differently? Had I not voted for CR, he'd have not come forward. Had he not come forward then someone else would have voted for him. If there was an oops moment it was for cr hanging out waiting for R2s reach to come forward. But really, how many imperials saw that vote about to happen? Now if you saw it coming why didn't you say something? Where is your great big imperial moment?

[triggercut]

Unagi, I'll go re-read El Guapo's Scoop defense here in a sec. I will admit to having missed it or not ascribed as much importance to it.

As for LM, he's on the Scoop train to N-2 that resulted in Scoop having to do his reveal.

Scoop could've avoided coming off as an obvious rebel today by doing a reveal had he asked any Rebels in that train to please get off.

Now then, here's a sobering thought: What if we had a Scoopikaze attack here?

1. He gets a couple of his Rebel buds to jump on his train
2. He reveals himself as the Emperor.
3. Someone else comes out as Emperor.
4. His buds now know who our Emperor is.

I do not think they had any reason to think CR was the Emperor, but if they did, that recasts LM, coopasonic, and theohall as potential rebels. Again, though, stessier was just as likely to step up and say he was Palpatine at that point as Chaosraven.

So...if a Scoopikaze attack to reveal our Emperor--and if our Emperor was pretty much *anyone* but CR, things on Day 1 break completely different, and very likely with someone counterclaiming him Scoop is grilled to the point of breaking any suspension of disbelief and is lynched and comes up Rebel. Then our real Emperor gets a scan based on very good intel, is hopefully protected at night, and gives us a second Rebel today.

I then discount the Scoopikaze attack. They got lucky it was CR who was our Emperor I think, but it wasn't in their plans.

With perhaps 6 players v 15 but 4 overvotes in-hand, the Rebels were holding a good hand on Day 1. A Scoopikaze attack is so high-risk that it would seem to be unnecessary.

So.

If no Scoopikaze, then I think LM, coop, and theo tend towards Empire-ness.

Now off to read about El Guapo with what time is given me.

[Isgrimnur]

Isgrimnur, I am curious as to how you feel about Triggercut. I'd really like to get your take on things.

I'd actually like to hear a whole lot more from you right now Isgrimnur.

I appreciate the shout out, as long as you're not pre-disposed to twisting my words into a noose.

I think triggercut's got some solid logic in his posts, but I don't think he's got it all right. When a train forms against the evil team, there's plenty of opportunity for the Rebels to use that as cover and have a vote or two in there if they feel that it's a foregone conclusion that the target is done for. That being said, having the R2 vote pile makes it even more likely, as they figure that it wouldn't matter, as they could save their cohort with that.

Given his pigeonhole lists, I'm not likely to use those for any hard and fast for any trains. I figure, at best, he's got 5-10% better than chance that he's got the majority of those groups pegged. I'm sure there are Rebels on both sides of his divisions. If we march lockstep on his list of six, I figure you'd be lucky to get three Rebels. It offers a smaller pool from which to fish with a limit to the damage done to our cause, but that could be said for anyone's pool.

That, and I tend to be allergic to people that agitate for leadership roles. I tend to end up getting lynched/shot/strangled unnecessarily when people go all "Cult of Personality".

Is triggercut Count Dooku? I don't know. It's a role likely easily fakeable if Yoda is in play. Only a coroner scan will tell for sure, if we have Tarkin in play, but that's very much a Witch test. "Oh, he drowned? Then he was innocent. So Sorry."

[El Guapo]

I'm going to go ahead and make the bold proclamation that stessier is not a rebel.

Other than that, the night kill doesn't tell us a ton. The big question is whether the lack of kill of trig means that he's a rebel, or that they think he's discredited and may be hoping that we'll kill him for them.

Anyways, let's go to my suspect list, in no particular order:

(1) tru1cy - hey look, three posts from him in one day! I can kind of understand the "hey, why bother explaining stuff, it's just going to give people ammo to lynch me", but it seems like there's really no effort to be helpful at all. Trig keeps saying that he seems like usual unpowered tru1cy - as a n00b I don't have enough background to judge that really (I'd be interested if other veterans have smoething to say about this). But from the BSG game I stalked, his behavior seems consistent with his "Hey, I know my rights, I don't have to talk" behavior from that game, where he was a wolf.

(2) Trig - need to think about this more. One of the more obvious suspects insofar as he started the emperor lynch. That said, obviously I was on that lynch train as well, which doesn't look good to me either. Not sure yet what to make of this "Dooku" claim, which is largely unverifiable at this point. So I have to give him some thought. Interestingly what's probably the best evidence for him being empire at this point for me is that he hasn't thrown me under the bus yet. Since I'm empire (which I have the benefit of knowing for my analysis), if he were rebel I'd think that I'd be his most plausible "hey, go lynch this guy" target for my staying on the CR train. He's named me as a possible suspect, but then to be honest, because I was on the CR train I am. Anyways, need to give him some thought.

(3) KK, RMC - kind of in the same boat for me in terms of "quiet, on the CR train." The trick with the quiet ones is that we don't have much room for error, so how do we pick between the quiet ones? Maybe start a train and see who ceases to be quiet?

One last note while I think. Any imperial shooters out there, I'd say two things: (1) we have the luxury of time today since we have a bird in the hand today in Scoop; if time's running short we can run him up in short order. So give us time to debate. (2) If you do decide to shoot, for god's sake don't identify yourself first. If Leia's out there she'll sedate you and you'll get lynched without a shot. Or choke, but I'm just going to stick with shot for now since it's simpler.

[El Guapo]

I'm curious what my "cool" defense of Scoop was, incidentally. I know I leaned against lynching him (sadly), though I advocated lynching either him or CR. But in any event, I always enjoy being described as cool.

[El Guapo]

Oh, and my suspect list above isn't exclusive - I'm not ruling out people not above, just some people that came to mind. I'm going to re-read and think some more.

[triggercut]

Is triggercut Count Dooku? I don't know. It's a role likely easily fakeable if Yoda is in play. Only a coroner scan will tell for sure, if we have Tarkin in play, but that's very much a Witch test. "Oh, he drowned? Then he was innocent. So Sorry."

Really? If I'm killed, I'll come back Empire. You think I would be Empire and *spoofing* a role?

On death my faction reveal will carry the truth of my role.

[Isgrimnur]

(2) If you do decide to shoot, for god's sake don't identify yourself first. If Leia's out there she'll sedate you and you'll get lynched without a shot. Or choke, but I'm just going to stick with shot for now since it's simpler.

Why in the world would a sedated player get lynched?!? Do you really think that once we notice an Imperial face down in his food cubes, somehow we mistake him for a Rebel and finish him off?

[Remus West]

I clearly need to ask the obvious question.

Triggercut,

1. How do we know that you aren't Yoda.

we don't, the question is if he is Dooku, how long will the rebels allow him to live? And at what point must we take him out because he cannot survive to the end game now. He dies by our hand or the rebels.

Yeah, but triggercut came blowing hard into this day with "Let me prove you so wrong, before you lynch me".

Why on earth wasn't he killed over night. Am I the only one that thought he was going to start this day with a shot or a choke?

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

[tru1cy]

Using the shot on a known, but potentially un-powered rebel makes no sense. Debate all we want, but Scoop need to be hung today

[LordMortis]

One last note while I think. Any imperial shooters out there, I'd say two things: (1) we have the luxury of time today since we have a bird in the hand today in Scoop; if time's running short we can run him up in short order. So give us time to debate. (2) If you do decide to shoot, for god's sake don't identify yourself first. If Leia's out there she'll sedate you and you'll get lynched without a shot. Or choke, but I'm just going to stick with shot for now since it's simpler.

You can mail in the order and identify yourself before you are silenced. The question about identifying yourself is whether or not you want to make yourself a night target. Without understanding the shooters position and what you want to protect, I'd be inclined to announce that I am shooting but not announce my role, leaving the possibility of being one of three different shooters. But again, I'm not in shooter's shoes and they ought to know their business better than I do.

[triggercut]

I clearly need to ask the obvious question.

Triggercut,

1. How do we know that you aren't Yoda.

we don't, the question is if he is Dooku, how long will the rebels allow him to live? And at what point must we take him out because he cannot survive to the end game now. He dies by our hand or the rebels.

Yeah, but triggercut came blowing hard into this day with "Let me prove you so wrong, before you lynch me".

Why on earth wasn't he killed over night. Am I the only one that thought he was going to start this day with a shot or a choke?

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

Not so odd, just an oversight. That early in the game I'd missed Vader's kill option and thought he was weirdly underpowered being only able to scan for Luke.

[triggercut]

Using the shot on a known, but potentially un-powered rebel makes no sense. Debate all we want, but Scoop need to be hung today

How exactly does it not make sense vs. a vote train with a foregone conclusion?

Be specific.

[Remus West]

Not so odd, just an oversight. That early in the game I'd missed Vader's kill option and thought he was weirdly underpowered being only able to scan for Luke.

Yet that same mechanic is supposed to be taken as your big give away towards being Dooku? You made many mistakes on day 1. Why would anyone have figured that one of them pointed to your role?

I'm interested in hearing from the guy who claimed to have spotted it yesterday when talking about your "slip". I believe it was theohall.

[triggercut]

Believe it or don't. I don't care.

[Remus West]

Believe it or don't. I don't care.

I'm just a little confused on how you could make such a fuss about one over-sight and write another off so easily. Also, all your arguing would seem to imply the "I don't care" is a lie.

[triggercut]

Believe it or don't. I don't care.

I'm just a little confused on how you could make such a fuss about one over-sight and write another off so easily. Also, all your arguing would seem to imply the "I don't care" is a lie.

The one you linked was earlier in the game, before I'd gotten a better read on the rules, and involved a role I wasn't involved in.

My own slip was later, involving my own role.

Make of it what you already have.

Someone shoot me.

[triggercut]

And so, now I'll get meta.

If my vote weren't already on you, you'd get it for this.

Just a breadcrumb. I caught hell for introducing some meta into my play.

Later on, Unagi mentions seeing Bubbles browsing in game, and today LordMortis mentions seeing tru1cy browsing.

Is there a connection between Isgrimnur and Kenetickid?

Dunno. Endgame scenario worth exploring for those left.

[LordMortis]

And so, now I'll get meta.

If my vote weren't already on you, you'd get it for this.

Just a breadcrumb. I caught hell for introducing some meta into my play.

Later on, Unagi mentions seeing Bubbles browsing in game, and today LordMortis mentions seeing tru1cy browsing.

Is there a connection between Isgrimnur and Kenetickid?

Dunno. Endgame scenario worth exploring for those left.

As far as I know the only meta gaming that is verboten is post editing. While I choose not to do some meta gaming (and only bring up browsing habits when others do first for example) none of the rest bothers me. I don't remember mentioning tru1cies habbits this game. I think the one I brought up (several times) was chaosraven. The only other person I've noted is KK and I don't know if I've noted here or just inside my peabrain. But as of right now I suppose I've noted here with this post.

[triggercut]

And so, now I'll get meta.

If my vote weren't already on you, you'd get it for this.

Just a breadcrumb. I caught hell for introducing some meta into my play.

Later on, Unagi mentions seeing Bubbles browsing in game, and today LordMortis mentions seeing tru1cy browsing.

Is there a connection between Isgrimnur and Kenetickid?

Dunno. Endgame scenario worth exploring for those left.

As far as I know the only meta gaming that is verboten is post editing. While I choose not to do some meta gaming (and only bring up browsing habits when others do first for example) none of the rest bothers me. I don't remember mentioning tru1cies habbits this game. I think the one I brought up (several times) was chaosraven. The only other person I've noted is KK and I don't know if I've noted here or just inside my peabrain. But as of right now I suppose I've noted here with this post.

Hey, I'm in no position to judge.

Just saying that there was a pretty heavy reaction to me putting a vote on KK due to some meta observations (which I openly shared, because I was asked) from Isgrimnur. That's all. Might mean nothing, but it could be something worth looking at down the line.

[triggercut]

BTW--thinking about what other ways I could prove my role. The only flimsy thing I can think of would be to have someone trusted as Empire after all discussion give us their best bet for a Rebel player and ask me to stay off the train, go to N-1 and see if it puts that player over. If that player named by a trusted person goes over and comes up Rebel...just sayin'. If not, I'd have to be executed the next turn.

Flimsy, but there you go.

[Newcastle]

seriously? Stessier? Not too sure why him. The best i recall is that he wasnt around much. I had no real sense of him outside of not having a strong sense of him...if that makes sense...usually i expect him to be a bit more analytical and piercing through stuff.

some things that strike me.

-Why was triggercut so adamant he would be killed last night? Seriously, if he is imperial, i would sure as hell let him live considering he was a train conductor yesterday. Or....he could be alive because...well he is a rebel. The dooku role could easily be spoofed with a yoda.

-Scoop has to die today. I really think he should be shot, but am ok with lynching. If we dont shoot him I think we need to be careful if we are going to lynch him to not slow lynch him, in case he is a wookie ready to tear luimbs off.
- i think we should seriously discuss the benefits of shooting scoop...but now that i think about it...if he were the wookie...why didnt he go boom yesterday. And if he is...then we need to be careful in how we treat him...one misplaced vote...he can go boom. We need to talk about how we want to dispose of his rebel body.

-I am really curious about the timing of CR's death and where it stands. Was it as the scoop train was dying? Was the KK train gaining speed? Was his death caused more by his statement that of being the emperor? Was it due to KK's train gaining traction.

- Its obvious r2d2 was in play yesterday. But, as i was reading CR's stuff, i was wondering if he was spoofiing the role, in order to draw out scoop further. Or was it to save his own skin when he announced. What caused R2d2 to pull the trigger though/ The window was so damn small. Did R2 feel threatened? And this also points stratight to scoops guilt...r2 had the choice between two emperor claimants....and he chose CR....scoop is guilty, has to be.

-I think i am going to take a backseat today and not lead any trains, and really observer. Its obvious i had a hand in offing CR yesterday and that my rebel sniffer is off. So obviously i really need to recalibrate stuff. I really did think that CR was evil based on his "slip" yesterday. It doesnt mean i'll be silent, just not an active leader. I think others should do such.

Also, i was leaning toward scoop being innocent yesterday and was kind of weirded out by how his train had coalesced and stuck. It just seemed like a lark that something so serious could evolve. And i kind of felt bad for him...ebing nailed simply for being scoop...anyway...i do stick by how i viewed it yesterday,; obviously am wrong now. But hindsight is 20-20

-upon reflection i dont think there is any chance CR was pulling a scoop....and faking the emperor role......now that i typed this a bit more...i dont think he was...i think CR woudl hint at roles...and spoof them in general to create a distraction...but i dont hthink its in his reptoire to come out and spoof a role if it has been claimed.

- I think given the CR train, we can be assured there rests several rebels on there. A goodplace to start would be there.

- I also think it's important we dont overlook the scoop train as well; wolves have been willing to vote for others before...i woiuldnt be surprised if there were wolves there as well. I am saying this so we dont blind ourselves and focus solely on teh CR train.

- Also need to look at those who avoided lynchign SCoop altogether. i know i will be on that list.

[theohall]

[ezmate]going to be running around doing stuff this weekend, so will probably have to catch up on 4 or 5 pages whenever I have the time.[/ezmate]

Thanks for clarifying, bb2112.

[Isgrimnur]

And so, now I'll get meta.

If my vote weren't already on you, you'd get it for this.

Just a breadcrumb. I caught hell for introducing some meta into my play.

Later on, Unagi mentions seeing Bubbles browsing in game, and today LordMortis mentions seeing tru1cy browsing.

Is there a connection between Isgrimnur and Kenetickid?

Dunno. Endgame scenario worth exploring for those left.

You were the first to do it. I mentioned my intense dislike for it. There's no point in me beating a dead horse about it, especially since I'm not going to use that to agitate for a train. A concerted effort to lynch for going meta is just as meta.

Besides, there's a difference between mentioning browsing patterns and making that as an in-game justification for action.

Anyway, let's get this party started:

 Scoop 
 

[Semaj]

ezmate: gotta run around for a while, but luckily its the weekend so I should be able to catch up.

Non ezmate: man i really need to re-read trigs post sober and see if it was as revealing as I thought it was last night.

[triggercut]

man i really need to re-read trigs post sober and see if it was as revealing as I thought it was last night.

I won't bury the lede here: it probably wasn't.

[Unagi]

Trig, why are you giving no attention to LM's "oops I put CR within reach of R2D2 moment". For him to join the CD lynch, alone, on it's absurd merrits, I found that odd as hell - for it to put him into reach of R2D2 is nearly inexcusable.
(LM's only imperial moments are when he keeps talking about going back and finishing on Scoop)

There's the unagi we come to expect to see. There was no oops but you're making things up goes a long way to determining direction. I had no idea where I was on the vote and didn't care. CR basically said he wasn't going to be around but then he was around and saying nothing. I could have been putting at "n-2" and not cared. We had already backed off of Scoop, so I didn't care. You are right that my vote on raven is most definitely not an imperial moment, but what are you gonna do? How do you see yesterday going differently? Had I not voted for CR, he'd have not come forward. Had he not come forward then someone else would have voted for him. If there was an oops moment it was for cr hanging out waiting for R2s reach to come forward. But really, how many imperials saw that vote about to happen? Now if you saw it coming why didn't you say something? Where is your great big imperial moment?

relax, I wasn't really upset by your vote, I was more interested in what Triggercut said about me saying that he hadn't put any thought into you.

yeesh.

[Unagi]

They got lucky it was CR who was our Emperor I think, but it wasn't in their plans.

This is my feeling too.

[Unagi]

(2) If you do decide to shoot, for god's sake don't identify yourself first. If Leia's out there she'll sedate you and you'll get lynched without a shot. Or choke, but I'm just going to stick with shot for now since it's simpler.

Why in the world would a sedated player get lynched?!? Do you really think that once we notice an Imperial face down in his food cubes, somehow we mistake him for a Rebel and finish him off?

He meant 'Killed in the night', but to him the Lynch is the dangerous part of the game. It's a common wolf slip.

[Unagi]

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

You've totally lost me. What, in the end, are you tryintg to say?
(I'm sure it's me, not you, but you confuzzled me with all that)

[Isgrimnur]

(2) If you do decide to shoot, for god's sake don't identify yourself first. If Leia's out there she'll sedate you and you'll get lynched without a shot. Or choke, but I'm just going to stick with shot for now since it's simpler.

Why in the world would a sedated player get lynched?!? Do you really think that once we notice an Imperial face down in his food cubes, somehow we mistake him for a Rebel and finish him off?

He meant 'Killed in the night', but to him the Lynch is the dangerous part of the game. It's a common wolf slip.

It certainly piqued my interest him as a possible Rebel.

[triggercut]

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

You've totally lost me. What, in the end, are you tryintg to say?
(I'm sure it's me, not you, but you confuzzled me with all that)

He is saying that I neglected to mention that we had another daytime kill option with Darth Vader when I posted our challenges back on July 6th in a post that cannot be edited within the rules and scope of the game, and that a lack of knowledge is apparently a constant through time and space and cannot be improved upon by further study over the course of 9 days, even if, and especially having had someone reference Vader's power on the previous page.

[triggercut]

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

You've totally lost me. What, in the end, are you tryintg to say?
(I'm sure it's me, not you, but you confuzzled me with all that)

He is saying that I neglected to mention that we had another daytime kill option with Darth Vader when I posted our challenges back on July 6th in a post that cannot be edited within the rules and scope of the game, and that a lack of knowledge is apparently a constant through time and space and cannot be improved upon by further study over the course of 9 days, even if, and especially having had someone reference Vader's power on the previous page.

...on the previous page to my post this morning about wanting to beat the strangle, I should say.

[El Guapo]

I did indeed mean killed in the night. Hey, I'm still learning the lingo. Since the rebels (I think) must vote on their forums like we do, I've been thinking of that as a night lynch. But I guess killed is the usual term (which is, of course, completely different).

If you're interested in me, lynch me because of my participation in the CR train - that would make sense (even if you would sadly turn up your second empire lynch). The lingo, however, not so much a good reason.

[Isgrimnur]

Pfft. Like we need a good reason.

[Remus West]

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

You've totally lost me. What, in the end, are you tryintg to say?
(I'm sure it's me, not you, but you confuzzled me with all that)

He is saying that I neglected to mention that we had another daytime kill option with Darth Vader when I posted our challenges back on July 6th in a post that cannot be edited within the rules and scope of the game, and that a lack of knowledge is apparently a constant through time and space and cannot be improved upon by further study over the course of 9 days, even if, and especially having had someone reference Vader's power on the previous page.

Wow, you really do not pay any attention to the detail of what I was saying do you? I was saying you made the exact same type of slip regarding Vader's role that you claim was such a big give away of the Dooku role yet think nothing of that slip while expecting we take the post where you omit Dooku as evidence of your claim.

[triggercut]

Not in the least. Mostly because when I was going through his post the thing I noted was that when talking about our shooters he ignored the possibility of Vader. Leaving him out exactly the same way he is claiming to have left Dooku out.

This post he mentions Greedo and Mara but leaves Vader out. Seems extremely odd to me that Vader would be left out while Mara Jade wouldn't as Vader was central to all the movies while I don't even know who Mara Jade is.
Combined with this piece from today

At any rate, I was up for my morning bike ride and wanted to beat the strangle...

Seems to show he knows Vader is in the game and what Vader's ability is.

That said, I'm willing to wait (as though I had the option to not wait ).

You've totally lost me. What, in the end, are you tryintg to say?
(I'm sure it's me, not you, but you confuzzled me with all that)

He is saying that I neglected to mention that we had another daytime kill option with Darth Vader when I posted our challenges back on July 6th in a post that cannot be edited within the rules and scope of the game, and that a lack of knowledge is apparently a constant through time and space and cannot be improved upon by further study over the course of 9 days, even if, and especially having had someone reference Vader's power on the previous page.

Wow, you really do not pay any attention to the detail of what I was saying do you? I was saying you made the exact same type of slip regarding Vader's role that you claim was such a big give away of the Dooku role yet think nothing of that slip while expecting we take the post where you omit Dooku as evidence of your claim.

I do get it and you're wrong.

Not a tough concept here.

A rules oversight on July 6th does not create a rules oversight on subsequent days or hours, since knowledge is not a constant. You said that all of a sudden I seemed to know what Vader's role was, and I was pointing out that someone mentioning it specifically in this thread a page ago might've been a good source of knowledge attainment.

[Remus West]

triggercut, I am not wrong. You made the same type of mistake twice. You wish us to view one in a certain manner and the other in a different manner. You seem to over look that they are the SAME MISTAKE. You left a role out of your analysis. Remembering the role later has absolutely nothing to do with the original posts nor does it have anything to do with you thinking those posts would be interpreted differently. You say its not a tough concept and yet you continue to flub it. A rules over sight on one day and a rules over sight on another day are both rules over sights.

[triggercut]

triggercut, I am not wrong. You made the same type of mistake twice. You wish us to view one in a certain manner and the other in a different manner. You seem to over look that they are the SAME MISTAKE. You left a role out of your analysis. Remembering the role later has absolutely nothing to do with the original posts nor does it have anything to do with you thinking those posts would be interpreted differently. You say its not a tough concept and yet you continue to flub it. A rules over sight on one day and a rules over sight on another day are both rules over sights.

Nope, still wrong.