Octopus Overlords

Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..

RMC wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..

Let's do some math.

6 villagers and 2 wolves remaining. 4 of the remaining 8 have told us what cards they played. 2 of the the 8 are likely to lie about whatever card they have played, if they play anything at all. The remaining 2, being villagers, might not have played their cards due to conditional requirements, or just are not ready to share.

Not gonna get much more out of those remaining, IMO.

Does anyone have a cheat sheet with all the cards played/claimed from the last 2 days? And why hasn't everyone said what they had yesterday?

And finally  Remus 
 

because I can handle him being a miss far better than I can handle losing with him being an unlynched wolf yet again.

theohall wrote:

RMC wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Theo and I are the only two that have voted, and the rest of you seem to be waiting for something. I'm certainly not trying to hurry the day along, take as much time as you need, but I am curious as to what people are thinking today.

I was waiting to see if there were anymore cards coming into play..It doesn't look like it...I had hoped that someone would have been able to talk to Mr. Bubbles and get us two scans..Bummer on that one..

Let's do some math.

6 villagers and 2 wolves remaining. 4 of the remaining 8 have told us what cards they played. 2 of the the 8 are likely to lie about whatever card they have played, if they play anything at all. The remaining 2, being villagers, might not have played their cards due to conditional requirements, or just are not ready to share.

Not gonna get much more out of those remaining, IMO.

I don't think the wolves are likely to lie about what they've played, as that creates unnecessary risk (as they're boned if someone else has the card that they're claiming). Rather, I assume they would play a card and be honest about what card they've played (if such card is harmless for the wolves), or not play a card at all.

Cheat sheet incoming. Actually, that's sort of what I've been working on.

Yesterday I had the Daydreamer card. Not too exciting.

BB2112
theohall
kraegor
Remus West
El Guapo
stessier
triggercut
RMC

So, this is our cast right now. Aside from me, I feel reasonably confident that Triggercut and to a slightly lesser degree RMC are good. Kraegor's something of an enigma to me right now.

My gut's saying Remus right now, but I think my main concern is the apparent lack of opposition right now. I know that wolves can and do push for each other to give themselves cred, but with only two wolves left, would that be too risky now? But then, back on the first hand, the wolves could've pretty easily (I think) gotten Remus lynched on day one and I would think that they would jump on a chance to lynch Villager Remus, when they could have done so probably without blame falling on any one person / wolf.

Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
1 Extra Vote
Cancel 1 Vote
Resurrection
Seance
Beyond The Grave (2 uses)
Who Said That (3 uses)
Block Scan (2 uses)
Shield (3 uses)
I Am Spartacus (2 uses)
Mortician (2 uses)
Illumination (illumination)
Nuke em From Orbit
Toss A Dart
Shut Up! (2 uses)
Howdy Partner (4 Uses?)
Quantum Shift
Swipe (2 uses?)
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Told Ya So!
KaBoom!
Right Back Atcha
I'll Take Seconds! (1 use?)
Reveal! (2 uses)
Puppetmaster (4 uses?)
Deadlines! (1 use?)
A View From Heaven (1 use?)

Where we've had reported use of multi-use cards, I've noted but added a "?" to show that.
Swiper No Swiping and Daydreamer are multiple cards (3 and 5 in play, respectively) with unlimited use.

Oh, and  Remus West 
 

triggercut wrote:Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
Daydreamer
1 Extra Vote
Cancel 1 Vote
Resurrection
Seance
Beyond The Grave (2 uses)
Who Said That (3 uses)
Block Scan (2 uses)
Shield (3 uses)
I Am Spartacus (2 uses)
Mortician (2 uses)
Illumination (illumination)
Nuke em From Orbit
Toss A Dart
Shut Up! (2 uses)
Howdy Partner (4 Uses?)
Quantum Shift
Swipe (2 uses?)
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Swiper No Swiping!
Told Ya So!
KaBoom!
Right Back Atcha
I'll Take Seconds! (1 use?)
Reveal! (2 uses)
Puppetmaster (4 uses?)
Deadlines! (1 use?)
A View From Heaven (1 use?)

Where we've had reported use of multi-use cards, I've noted but added a "?" to show that.
Swiper No Swiping and Daydreamer are multiple cards (3 and 5 in play, respectively) with unlimited use.

Thanks. Who made the use of "A View From Heaven"? I know Newcastle said he used it yesterday, but the evidence suggests that he played the Deadlines card actually, yes? I may be forgetting a claimed villager use of A View From Heaven, though.

triggercut wrote:Oh, and  Remus West 
 

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?

That list takes into account that someone--I assume a wolf, and further assume Newcastle--played the Deadline card "yesterday", forcing us into the game on Saturday.

I believe RMC played View From Heaven today.

Also keep in mind that part of the "?" added is that while some of the cards played are easily verified, they're not all totally verified and may represent pure claiming.

El Guapo wrote:

triggercut wrote:Oh, and  Remus West 
 

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?

If Remus comes back a wolf, that's terrific. It puts things at 6-1. Given a successful Evil attack overnight, we start "tomorrow" out at 5-1.

At that point hopefully we have some guidance. I remain hopeful of a Seance card being played. Barring that, I guess it gets kind of nasty.

If Remus *isn't* a wolf, we're in some trouble. We go to tonight at 4-2, and come back tomorrow with no misses remaining unless we can get shielding done. If Remus isn't a wolf, I think we have to gamble heavily and look at bb2112 and theohall closely. I'm not saying that we act on it, but I am saying that the presence of two wolves in 5 or 6 players implies a very good hiding job, as might have been accomplished by wolf-ish playing of an unverifiable scan card.

triggercut wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

triggercut wrote:Oh, and  Remus West 
 

Here's the question I'm pondering right now. Assume Remus is indeed a wolf. Who is your best guess right now for Remus' remaining wolf partner?

If Remus comes back a wolf, that's terrific. It puts things at 6-1. Given a successful Evil attack overnight, we start "tomorrow" out at 5-1.

At that point hopefully we have some guidance. I remain hopeful of a Seance card being played. Barring that, I guess it gets kind of nasty.

No, I get that, and I'm not suggesting that, if we conclude that Remus is indeed a wolf, that we nonetheless try to lynch his partner first. This question is part of my due diligence on Remus West's possible wolfitude - I'm trying to evaluate it through the conduct towards him of his wolf partner.

Day 3
BB2112 ---------- Remus West --------
theohall ---------- kraegor --------
kraegor ---------- --------
Remus West ---------- --------
El Guapo ---------- --------
stessier ---------- Remus West --------
triggercut ---------- Remus West --------
RMC ---------- --------
.
.
Remus West -3 ---------- bb2112, stessier, triggercut
kraegor -1 ---------- theohall
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Majority = 5

It was I that played a view from heaven on Mr. Bubbles today, in the library with a lead pipe..

I loved clue as a kid...

Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.

Yeah that sucks. Now bb2112's Daydreamer card won't work anymore.

triggercut wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

bb2112 wrote:Fyi I have the daydreamer card. I was waiting to see if it was going to get swiped, but that doesnt seem likely at this point.

As of Day 2 onward you can't say what card you have before you have played it, assuming I'm reading you correctly.

Yeah that sucks. Now bb2112's Daydreamer card won't work anymore.

Heh. I should really re-read card effects before commenting on them.

As bb2112 talked about his daydreamer card something weird happened. His mind became more focused as the daydream card lost it's power. He was more aware of his surroundings, his mind was wide awake absorbing knowledge at an unusual rate. Then Remus West starting talking and bb2112 couldn't shut it off. His head filled with so much BS that it drove him crazy. He ran screaming to a nearby table, grabbed a knife and slit his own throat. Who knew the ability to daydream was so necessary.
















This is a joke.

Mod SMASH!

Here is my matrix - we sure don't know very much.

Person	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Newcastle	....Day 1....	****	....Day 3....
bb2112	Told Ya So	....Day 2....	Daydreamer
theohall	Seconds/Free Scan/Swipe	....Day 2....	Puppetmaster
Kraegor	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Remus	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
El Guapo	Deadline	....Day 2....	Escape Lynch
stessier	Mortician	No Swiping	....Day 3....
trig	....Day 1....	Daydreamer	Scramble
Chaos	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Qantaga	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
RMC	Howdy Partner	....Day 2....	View From Heaven
redrun	Mind's Eye	Swipe	....Day 3....
Mr Bubbles	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....

Red Text means the card was not played.
Blue Text means the card was played.

Notes

1. Theo used Free Scan on bb2112
2. redrun used Mind's Eye on Qantaga
3. RMC PM'd El Guapo with Howdy Partner (I'm guessing this is true as they were able to identify each other so not the blind PM)
4. Newcastle had No Card when redrun tried to Swipe from him on Day 2.
5. redrun tried to Swipe from Newcastle on Day 2.
6. Someone played the Death! card on Qantaga.
7. RMC played View from Heaven on Bubbles
8. Theo played Puppetmaster on Remus

stessier wrote:Here is my matrix - we sure don't know very much.

Person	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Newcastle	....Day 1....	****	....Day 3....
bb2112	Told Ya So	....Day 2....	Daydreamer
theohall	Seconds/Free Scan/Swipe	....Day 2....	Puppetmaster
Kraegor	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Remus	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
El Guapo	Deadline	....Day 2....	Escape Lynch
stessier	Mortician	No Swiping	....Day 3....
trig	....Day 1....	Daydreamer	Scramble
Chaos	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
Qantaga	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....
RMC	Howdy Partner	....Day 2....	View From Heaven
redrun	Mind's Eye	Swipe	....Day 3....
Mr Bubbles	....Day 1....	....Day 2....	....Day 3....

Red Text means the card was not played.
Blue Text means the card was played.

Notes

1. Theo used Free Scan on bb2112
2. redrun used Mind's Eye on Qantaga
3. RMC PM'd El Guapo with Howdy Partner (I'm guessing this is true as they were able to identify each other so not the blind PM)
4. Newcastle had No Card when redrun tried to Swipe from him on Day 2.
5. redrun tried to Swipe from Newcastle on Day 2.
6. Someone played the Death! card on Qantaga.
7. RMC played View from Heaven on Bubbles
8. Theo played Puppetmaster on Remus

And if I remember the order right, we know Newcastle did not play the death card.

Day 1 I had "Swiper No Swiping". I played it, but I believe it has unlimited uses.

So it's ok to say what card you had on a previous day if you didn't play it?

triggercut wrote:Day 1 I had "Swiper No Swiping". I played it, but I believe it has unlimited uses.

O RLY?

triggercur wrote:Can we talk about the card we held yesterday but didn't play? I was debating whether to actually play mine--just to take it out of rotation--but didn't expect the final two votes on CR to land so damn fast and didn't get a chance to play.

As for Newcastle, I see 1, perhaps 2 cards that match the criteria for being something you'd want to play right away and also keep hidden, and I had to really stretch both the definition of those filters to get to two.

 Newcastle 
 

El Guapo wrote:So it's ok to say what card you had on a previous day if you didn't play it?

The rules seem to suggest it is. Newcastle may not like it though.

stessier wrote:

triggercur wrote:Can we talk about...

That link name is a typo, but it is an awesome one.

I was told it didn't need to be played, but would just result in a failed Swipe if that card was played. At the time I hadn't realized it was unlimited use.

Day 1 - Final Vote Count

I think I did this right. It was extensive, so let me know if you find any errors.
Against Chaos (7) - kraegor, trig, theo, Bubbles, Newcastle, stessier, Remus
Against Remus (2) - bb2112, RMC
Against stessier (1) - redrun
Against Bubbles (1) - El Guapo
Against Newcastle (1) - Qantaga

No Vote - Chaos

More to come...

You forgot that I played the "I am Spartacus" card on day 2.

Lassr wrote:As bb2112 talked about his daydreamer card something weird happened. His mind became more focused as the daydream card lost it's power. He was more aware of his surroundings, his mind was wide awake absorbing knowledge at an unusual rate. Then Remus West starting talking and bb2112 couldn't shut it off. His head filled with so much BS that it drove him crazy. He ran screaming to a nearby table, grabbed a knife and slit his own throat. Who knew the ability to daydream was so necessary.
This is a joke.

And Best Mod Ever Award goes to... <drumroll> LASSR!

I actually got scared there for a sec. Holy crap, Lassr, I didn't mean to make fun of the sanctity of the Daydreamer card!

Remus?

El Guapo?

RMC?

Kraegor?

Care to play the game today?

Excuse me I commented. I have to really do a reread, and just worked 1st shift, third shift, and 1st shift.. So too tired to do any talking..Going to bed.

Let's put Remus West at N-1 and see what happens.

 Remus West 
 

triggercut wrote:Remus?

El Guapo?

RMC?

Kraegor?

Care to play the game today?

Did you miss the parts where I posted, people replied, and I posted some more? I thought we had something special when I was asking questions and you were answering.