Lynching Liaisons - The End

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:41 pm

grundbegriff

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:55 pm

Hmmm. I could accept Lassr not knowing yesterday, when it WAS DISCUSSED that the wolves would know who they killed (I read a post and went AHA A WOLF, then went and read the wolf rules myself).

purge · Post by **purge** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:25 pm

... and I'm suspect because I was absent from the vote?

Let me correct that for you - I was absent. Period. Vote or no vote. I knew when the deadline was (it is tomorrow) as it happens to be my birthday.

You must be evil to want to kill someone on their birthday. Then people only remember them ONE day a year, rather than two.

Evil, evil, evil.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:33 pm

purge wrote:... and I'm suspect because I was absent from the vote?

Let me correct that for you - I was absent. Period. Vote or no vote. I knew when the deadline was (it is tomorrow) as it happens to be my birthday.

You must be evil to want to kill someone on their birthday. Then people only remember them ONE day a year, rather than two.

Evil, evil, evil.

Your avatar and location suggest that we should indeed be lynching you though.

purge · Post by **purge** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:11 pm

Point conceded.

Lynch away.

( I totally forgot that ... hell, I think that was from the game right after I was Green Lantern, then Yoda.)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:30 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Vorret wrote:I don't know... Purge doesn't seem evil.
Maybe Qantaga.
I'm voting purge because bb2112 is on LL list and I can't vote bb2112 based on that list.

If purge gets a pass then my next choice is either you theo, essentially returning to yesterday's stance. My initial instinct was always you.

My opinion on purge is mainly this - he hasn't done a single thing (where many of you have) that comes across as 'human'.
So, why are you tossing out the idea that purge would get a pass today?

purge

To answer youe question Lagom, GRUND is who I would like to be released from your "good guy" list, I think you may be hiding the zerker. Also, if your just taking 'votes', I'd put one on Theohall and/or bb2112. I could test either of those two.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:33 pm

This is good news.

I like our chances.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:42 pm

Unagi wrote:So, why are you tossing out the idea that purge would get a pass today?

Because he made an appeal to excuse why he wasn't around for much of "yesterday" The problem with giving him a pass today for me his lynch hopefully gives me more insight into bb2112 whom I think is evil but is LL untouchable.

If you take bb2112, purge (as a means of getting at bb2112), theo, and vorret (and Grund, Lassr, and Tru1cy) from me in that order then I am hard pressed to have feel anyone else is more evil than good so far.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:51 pm

triggercute

He has been way off this game (from my perspective).

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:52 pm

I agree with Unagi, I'd go for Grund again in a heartbeat.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:03 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: triggercute

He has been way off this game (from my perspective).

You also feel off!
Scoop

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:43 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: triggercute

He has been way off this game (from my perspective).

Your perspective is wolfish in nature.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:53 pm

Lassr wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: triggercute

He has been way off this game (from my perspective).

You also feel off!
Scoop

See me. ..... Feeeeeeeeeel me. Touch me. ....... Hear me.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:43 pm

Unagi wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Vorret wrote:I don't know... Purge doesn't seem evil.
Maybe Qantaga.
I'm voting purge because bb2112 is on LL list and I can't vote bb2112 based on that list.

If purge gets a pass then my next choice is either you theo, essentially returning to yesterday's stance. My initial instinct was always you.
My opinion on purge is mainly this - he hasn't done a single thing (where many of you have) that comes across as 'human'.
So, why are you tossing out the idea that purge would get a pass today?

purge

To answer youe question Lagom, GRUND is who I would like to be released from your "good guy" list, I think you may be hiding the zerker. Also, if your just taking 'votes', I'd put one on Theohall and/or bb2112. I could test either of those two.

Your track record is hard to argue with, but do you really think the odds are good that 2 silents were both wolves?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:48 pm

Is there a reason we should not have one of the other Cabal members step forward today while Lagom can verify them?

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:00 pm

Remus West wrote:Is there a reason we should not have one of the other Cabal members step forward today while Lagom can verify them?

As long as the other two are both alive, is there really a reason for any more to step forward? It is not like a wolf would be able to spoof a cabal member if LL dies.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:29 pm

bb2112 wrote:Your track record is hard to argue with, but do you really think the odds are good that 2 silents were both wolves?

I'm not voting purge because he is/was silent. (And certainly not because I've worked out that the odds are good, etc.)

It's that his posts haven't really entered all that much into things... and there hasn't been all that much interaction that he's provided when he has even posted. And yes, I could be wrong and that's all just because of the real life stuff that I am sure is indeed keeping him from full on participation. But, there is always something about how people apologize when they are indeed truly busy with real life crap. Some thing about his explainations sounded ever so slightly like 'hey, this isn't a tactic' - and that's not something a villager would have the mindset to defend (IMO). They would be more apologetic about maybe just stinking up things for everyone, etc. (not to say that he didn't also address that too)

purge wrote:... and I'm suspect because I was absent from the vote?

Let me correct that for you - I was absent. Period. Vote or no vote.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:32 pm

Remus West wrote:Is there a reason we should not have one of the other Cabal members step forward today while Lagom can verify them?

Well, one reason would be that the mentalist could also sweap in and verify too, assuming he was given the full list, which I can't imagine he wasn't.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:23 pm

I don't buy purge's excuse one bit. I think he's hiding something.

purge

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:51 am

Remus West wrote:Is there a reason we should not have one of the other Cabal members step forward today while Lagom can verify them?

So you're ok with duvilging the roles of the living, but not the roles of the dead?

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:53 am

Remus West

I have a feeling he is the Berzerker, but we need to lynch that one sooner or later.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:26 am

Yep, weird vibe coming from Remus

Remus West

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:47 am

Lagom Lite wrote: Remus West

I have a feeling he is the Berzerker, but we need to lynch that one sooner or later.

although Remus could be a wolf or even the berzerker, I really don't think we can come to that conclusion from his posts. The wolves are down one after day 1, no way would they be willing to sacrifice another body right now. Later in the game when specials have revealed then you may see the berzerker think about behaving oddly trying to draw a lynch. This early already down one, no way.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:52 am

Lassr wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote: Remus West

I have a feeling he is the Berzerker, but we need to lynch that one sooner or later.
although Remus could be a wolf or even the berzerker, I really don't think we can come to that conclusion from his posts. The wolves are down one after day 1, no way would they be willing to sacrifice another body right now. Later in the game when specials have revealed then you may see the berzerker think about behaving oddly trying to draw a lynch. This early already down one, no way.

And they are down the sorcerer as well. So they don't have an ace in the village population either.

So they are already down 2 pieces. And getting the 'zerker out this early seems a bad play on thier part. Getting one of us now, would almost seem silly with the differences in numbers.

Not saying Remus is not a wolf, and I am always willing to off Remus, but I don't see him doing anything that out of character so far.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:53 am

Hmmmm. My suspicion for Lassr grows.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:57 am

Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:00 am

Day 2 Vote Count

Spoiler:

Votes required for lynch - 10

Against purge (3) - LordMortis, Unagi, pr0ner
Against Remus (2) - Lagom, Vorret
Against Grund (1) - tru1cy
Against trig (1) - Scoop20906
Against Scoop (1) - Lassr

No votes (11) - Remus West, Qantaga, RMC, purge, Grundbegriff, bb2112, Chaosraven, theohall, redrun, triggercut, El Guapo

There are 16 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 20th at 9am Eastern time.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:03 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.

No they won't, Wolfboy.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:09 am

To clarify my post and reasons for voting for purge:

I don't doubt that he's going to E3. But that doesn't excuse his "real life" excuse from vanishing from the game when he was able to post like a madman elsewhere.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:11 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Is it okay if I wolf joins this railroad?
Wot?
Oops.

Is it okay if A wolf joins this railroad?

Thanks for catching that.

I could also vote for scoop right now based on this.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:40 am

Lagom Lite wrote:
Remus West wrote:Is there a reason we should not have one of the other Cabal members step forward today while Lagom can verify them?
So you're ok with duvilging the roles of the living, but not the roles of the dead?

You really are not even trying to pay attention to my posts are you? I didn't say I had a problem with revealing Holman's role. I said I had a problem with doing it right away. There was a possibility that information could have been used to trap a wolf and you ruined that opportunity. There was zero risk of that information being lost. Thus, I do not like the timing of what you did.

As for having a second Cabal member come forward, why don't you step back from your certainty that this is a bad idea and think about it for a bit. There are some very good reasons for doing so. And also, the question was mostly posed for the body of the village to answer. I knew what your answer would be.

Lastly, unless Newcastle was the hunter, we are not at this point in the "we have to lynch that one eventually" position.

So, Vorret, thats all you have to say about it. Just that I'm giving a weird vibe. Nothing regarding my original question regarding the Cabal?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:54 am

My opinion on yesterday's success and being pigeonholed into who we shouldn't vote for (which I am agreeing less with today because we actually have stuff to go on) based on LL's good and bad:

Against Bakhtosh (11) - Qantaga, Unagi, Chaosraven, pr0ner, Lassr, Scoop, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis, Remus West, Newcastle
Against redrun (2) - RMC, Bakhtosh
Against Vorret (1) - triggercut
Against Remus (1) - redrun
Against theohall (1) - El Guapo
Against Purge (1) - bb2112
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes (3) - Purge, Grundbegriff, Lagom Lite

BAD GUYS?

Remus West
triggercut
purge
LordMortis
Vorret
El Guapo
Scoop20906
Chaosraven

Remus, me, vorret, or Scoop probably make the most the sense to look at with scrutiny. The problem is that I know I'm innocent and scoops and remus don't ping my radar.

OTOH, Lassr, tru1cy, and Vorret all ping my radar pretty hard.

And all that aside, I'm still preferring bb2112 the mostest.

I could probably move back from purge to vorret the easiest.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:20 am

Don't forget there's Grundbegriff who claimed he'd be a) playing or b) leading us by now. And he's still absent.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:20 am

redrun wrote:Purge, triggercut seem to be the only overlap between Lagom's Suspect list and the folks who were not on the Bakhtosh vote.

As per Lagom's request for name(s) to release from the Good Guys list: RMC, Lassr.
Hopefully, I haven't just named Lagom's partners...

From the suspect lists - Remus, Triggercut both look to me to have a potential to be evil.

From the "not playing the same game as the rest of us" list - Grundbegriff.

Based on the line at the very top of this post and the way he seems to be playing:

Triggercut

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:21 am

There is his whole 17 players goof from Day 1 to consider.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:33 am

pr0ner wrote:Don't forget there's Grundbegriff who claimed he'd be a) playing or b) leading us by now. And he's still absent.

Not even close to forgetting. But Grund is one LLs pets. I haven't forgotten about Theo either.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:03 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.

No, no, no. If LL dies tonight then a 2nd Cabal m ember can step forward tomorrow. Only an idiot would challenge him since there is another Cabal member and the Mentalist who can back him up.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:13 am

bb2112 wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.
No, no, no. If LL dies tonight then a 2nd Cabal m ember can step forward tomorrow. Only an idiot would challenge him since there is another Cabal member and the Mentalist who can back him up.

I agree with this reasoning. Why reveal more than we have too. Right now, we have a great little secret that is safe from losing any information or confirmation.

Also, it enables some people to be able to see the interactions of all of us with others and have fewer unknowns. <shrug> I think reveling anyone else is bad mojo. The benefits are all for the villagers now, and none for the wolves.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:22 am

RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.
No, no, no. If LL dies tonight then a 2nd Cabal m ember can step forward tomorrow. Only an idiot would challenge him since there is another Cabal member and the Mentalist who can back him up.
I agree with this reasoning. Why reveal more than we have too. Right now, we have a great little secret that is safe from losing any information or confirmation.

Also, it enables some people to be able to see the interactions of all of us with others and have fewer unknowns. <shrug> I think reveling anyone else is bad mojo. The benefits are all for the villagers now, and none for the wolves.

"We" have a great little secret if there aren't two or three wolves sitting in LLs untouchables list. That secret gets a bit more tricky as the untouchables get offed one by one and we continue to vote for LLs bad guys.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:24 am

LordMortis wrote:
RMC wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Lagomorpha: if you die tonight then both cabal member will need to out themselves tomorrow so they can confirm each other. If one of the secret cabal members out today then one if you will survive tomorrow so confirm your partner. Really, it's the same either way from my perspective.
No, no, no. If LL dies tonight then a 2nd Cabal m ember can step forward tomorrow. Only an idiot would challenge him since there is another Cabal member and the Mentalist who can back him up.
I agree with this reasoning. Why reveal more than we have too. Right now, we have a great little secret that is safe from losing any information or confirmation.

Also, it enables some people to be able to see the interactions of all of us with others and have fewer unknowns. <shrug> I think reveling anyone else is bad mojo. The benefits are all for the villagers now, and none for the wolves.

"We" have a great little secret if there aren't two or three wolves sitting in LLs untouchables list. That secret gets a bit more tricky as the untouchables get offed one by one and we continue to vote for LLs bad guys.

I believe that RMC was commenting on the idea of additional Cabal coming forward not on releasing names from the "good guy" list.