BSG IV -Revhempus Smoked -Humans win.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:43 pm

I'd much rather Athena try to find us a cylon. I won't be convinced scoop is human until I see a scan or autopsy.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:03 pm

That said, it will be nice to be proven.

That said, I really don't want to die tonight.

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:10 pm

Eenie Meenie mines some Moes, who's head is going to be picked off next?

...Oh wait, I'm a human, I'm not supposed to post things like these...

//edit: Oopsie, a typo.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:29 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:I'd much rather Athena try to find us a cylon. I won't be convinced scoop is human until I see a scan or autopsy.

I feel the same for you.

Also, strange concern you have... I was happy to be the night scan, cause if they killed me - it would have been great for the good guys really, and if they didn't I would have joined the ranks of the "Chaos Trusted"...

Don't you see how, if you are human, you being scanned is not a bad thing really? And if you are a powerless human, you being our night kill is basically as good as it gets??

I think it will be a net gain, either way.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:25 pm

0640

An explosion rocks the ship. The survivors pour from their rooms and head toward the location of the blast. They find the room, the door is completely blown off it’s frame and is lying twisted in the hallway. “Who’s room was this?” Revhempus yells above the commotion. Unagi speaks up, “It was Remus West’s room.”
“What the hell was he doing in there?” Before anyone could respond purge runs up, out of breath, he says “I found kraegor. He’s been shot and he’s dead.”
“Frak! Obviously the Cylons are still active. Let’s get to the meeting room and get to work.”

Tory Foster -Who will you talk to?

Who will be executed?

You have 14 hours.

Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
Chaosraven ---
Grundbegriff ---
RevHempus ---
stessier ---
redrun ---
mipe ---
Bakhtosh ---
purge ---
kraegor --- blown to bits
Remus West --- dead
Mr. Bubbles --- dead
Austin --- shot -cylon
Sean, M of KtSP --- executed -cylon
Semaj --- dead

Majority is 6.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:57 pm

OK,
so.... either Cavil and Six are both dead.
or.... They found #7

I really wasn't expecting 2 deaths for some reason (no, I am not trying to seem 'innocent').

Obviously, we need the 2 other specialist to come forward and get themselves "trusted".

Big hit, 2 specials dead - and two very strong players too.

The only thing at this moment that we can be sure of is:
Mipe is Human.
Sean was not #7.
Austin was not #7 or Athena.
Kraegor was Helo.
Remus was a Specialist.

things we can be pretty sure of:
Chaos is Cylon.
... is a Specialist
... is a Specialist
Grund gave Tru1cy his login/password

things we are taking on some faith:
Chaos is Athena
Austin was Six
Grundbegriff is Human
Bakhtosh is ...

(the ... are things we should be learning today)
Am I missing anything?
In adition. should we be looking for a full outing?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:07 pm

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:35 am

UNKNOWN

Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
RevHempus ---
stessier ---
redrun ---
purge ---

---------------------------------------------

Chaosraven --- ATHENA
Grundbegriff --- HUMAN
mipe --- HUMAN
Bakhtosh --- HUMAN

kraegor --- blown to bits HELO
Remus West --- dead SPECIALIST
Mr. Bubbles --- dead
Semaj --- dead

Austin --- shot -cylon SIX
Sean, M of KtSP --- executed -cylon (CAVIL or #10)

mipe · Post by **mipe** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:37 am

2 deaths... And we can't even trust the Specialists that come out today.. They could be just 2 cylons faking as specialists... So we need to 'waste' a scan on the other specialist so both specialists get trusted....

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:43 am

Ten Players remain

Six unknown, including #7

Athena + 3 Humans

Today 10 - Lynch leaves 9
Tonight 9 - Kill leaves 8
Tomorrow 8 - Lynch leaves 7
Tomorrow Night 7 - Kill leaves 6
Next Day 6 - Lynch leaves 5
Next Night 5 - Kill leaves 4 ****

In the event Sean was #10 or #10 has been found (or will be found), there are 3 Lynches.
The Cylon(s) can kill 3 of us.

Removing the 2 Specialists from the Pool of 6 gives us 3 of 4 to test.
If Tory has found Baltar, she should tell us.

I believe outing today is the best choice, EXCEPT if Bakh, Grund, or mipe have a Role but are not Apollo (who hopefully has news for us of some kind)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:46 am

mipe wrote:2 deaths... And we can't even trust the Specialists that come out today.. They could be just 2 cylons faking as specialists... So we need to 'waste' a scan on the other specialist so both specialists get trusted....

It would help us greatly if 4 Specialists came forward.

It would prove that #10 has been converted, and we would have 50/50 odds.
Our 3 chances becomes a 100% win.

4 Specialists =
Lynch Specialist: next 2 lynches kill the 2 Cylons
Lynch Cylon: kill Partner claiming to be Specialist

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:00 am

Apollo
Starbuck
Tory
Specialist
Specialist
Baltar

-----------------

We have 2 Unknown killed by Cylons

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:02 am

Unagi wrote:OK,
so.... either Cavil and Six are both dead.
or.... They found #7

more on this later

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:56 am

Chaosraven wrote:Nine Players remain

And majority is 5 then.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:28 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:The fact that #7 has been found leans me toward thinking Scoop may very well have called out to those two.
more on this later

Aha, actually... durrr.

It simply must mean that Cavil and Six are both dead.

We would have had a night with no deaths if they had stumbled on #7 ever.

I appologize for not realizing this at first - as I hate when people do this, because I think they are trying to look like "it couldn't possibly be them".

I suck. Sorry.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:38 am

Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
Chaosraven ---
Grundbegriff ---
RevHempus ---
redrun ---
mipe ---
Bakhtosh ---
purge ---
stessier --- executed
kraegor --- dead
Remus West --- blown to bits
Mr. Bubbles --- dead
Austin --- shot
Sean, M of KtSP --- executed
Semaj --- dead

Majority is 5

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:05 am

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:The fact that #7 has been found leans me toward thinking Scoop may very well have called out to those two.
more on this later
Aha, actually... durrr.

It simply must mean that Cavil and Six are both dead.

We would have had a night with no deaths if they had stumbled on #7 ever.

I appologize for not realizing this at first - as I hate when people do this, because I think they are trying to look like "it couldn't possibly be them".

I suck. Sorry.

Additionally it means #10 was not found on the previous nights.

#7 could have found #10 last night.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:08 am

Chaosraven wrote:Additionally it means #10 was not found on the previous nights.

Ahh, yes - you are right.

If they (Six and Cavil) had stumbled on #10 looking for Baltar... then #7 wouldn't have been 'In Charge'/'Engaged' and able to detonate his bomb.

Basically (according to Chaos)

Sean was Cavil and Austin was Six.
Right Chaos?

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:11 am

Ok, 2 dead last night. So # 7 is deffinately alive. Meaning that the dead Cylons are a combination of Six, 10, Cavil. Without Apollo coming forward we have no way to know for sure wich 2 are the dead cylons.

I believe Scoop

is our badguy. His little code, now more than ever looks like 7 trying to signal the others.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:17 am

I agree that the two specialist must come out.

Its possible we have only one or only two cylons left.

We are pretty lucky that we have such a small pool of unknowns

Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
RevHempus ---
redrun ---
purge ---

I realize many of you think I would be a good person to kill today. However, I know I am a citizen so I disagree.

Out of the unknowns I am the most leery of Unagi but I think today would be a smart time to take out one of the less active players in case it comes down to them late in the game.

I suggest today's lynch target be RevHempus.

RevHempus

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:21 am

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Additionally it means #10 was not found on the previous nights.
Ahh, yes - you are right.

If they (Six and Cavil) had stumbled on #10 looking for Baltar... then #7 wouldn't have been 'In Charge'/'Engaged' and able to detonate his bomb.

Basically (according to Chaos)

Sean was Cavil and Austin was Six.
Right Chaos?

That's where logic leads me.

Code: Select all

If Six and Cavil and #10 (if converted) are killed before finding Cylon #7 then Cylon #7 takes over the role of choosing the nightly targets (scanning for #10 and the kill).

He may detonate it any night after he has been found by the other cylons or if Six and Cavil are dead.

Hmmm.

Actually that may not mean the same thing regarding #10 having been found.

It does mean Six and Cavil are dead, as we did not have a night with no kill.
As #7 could have been given the option to detonate it even if #10 had been found, but #10 chose Night Kill.

LASSR: is that interpretation correct?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:22 am

RevHempus71 wrote:Ok, 2 dead last night. So # 7 is deffinately alive. Meaning that the dead Cylons are a combination of Six, 10, Cavil. Without Apollo coming forward we have no way to know for sure wich 2 are the dead cylons.

I believe Scoop

is our badguy. His little code, now more than ever looks like 7 trying to signal the others.

Ahh, speak of the devil. Well, I will reiterate that I think Rev is a good candidate for lynch today but I will say that if my death helps allievate confusion for the us and avoid a division of the our votes, then I am fine with being today's lynch candidate.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:33 am

RevHempus71 wrote:Ok, 2 dead last night. So # 7 is deffinately alive. Meaning that the dead Cylons are a combination of Six, 10, Cavil. Without Apollo coming forward we have no way to know for sure wich 2 are the dead cylons.

I believe Scoop

is our badguy. His little code, now more than ever looks like 7 trying to signal the others.

Rev, how do you come to the conclusion that #10 could be one of the dead Cylons?

Apollo coming forward wouldn't help (Apollo could even be a freshly awakened #10) ... Everything banks on Chaos being Athena.

Assume Chaos is Athena.

We have two dead cylons.

The only way for #7 to detonate his bomb would be for Six and Cavil to be dead.
OR for them to have 'discovered #7', but that would have been a night with no kill (that didn't happen).

Six and Cavil must be dead, and we have only 2 dead cylons. They are Cavil and Six.

Assuming Chaos is Athena.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:33 am

Lassr wrote:crap...I meant to edit page 1!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:39 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Additionally it means #10 was not found on the previous nights.
Ahh, yes - you are right.

If they (Six and Cavil) had stumbled on #10 looking for Baltar... then #7 wouldn't have been 'In Charge'/'Engaged' and able to detonate his bomb.

Basically (according to Chaos)

Sean was Cavil and Austin was Six.
Right Chaos?
That's where logic leads me.
Code: Select all
If Six and Cavil and #10 (if converted) are killed before finding Cylon #7 then Cylon #7 takes over the role of choosing the nightly targets (scanning for #10 and the kill).
He may detonate it any night after he has been found by the other cylons or if Six and Cavil are dead.
Hmmm.

Actually that may not mean the same thing regarding #10 having been found.

It does mean Six and Cavil are dead, as we did not have a night with no kill.
As #7 could have been given the option to detonate it even if #10 had been found, but #10 chose Night Kill.

LASSR: is that interpretation correct?

If 10 had been found, 7 will remain hidden until 10 is dead or 10 finds 7. 7 would not detonate the bomb until found or ALL active Cylons are dead.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:40 am

Chaosraven wrote:Hmmm.

Actually that may not mean the same thing regarding #10 having been found.

It does mean Six and Cavil are dead, as we did not have a night with no kill.
As #7 could have been given the option to detonate it even if #10 had been found, but #10 chose Night Kill.

LASSR: is that interpretation correct?

Yeah... um Lassr,

If #10 was detected and brought on board the Cylon Party on, say... Monday Night.
And Tuesday Day we killed the last of "Cavil and Six"...

Would #7 be allowed to detonate his bomb Tuesday Night, or would it require #10 to 'stumble upon' #7 in an accidental Attack?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:41 am

Ok, so Logic dictates Sean was Cavil, as Austin was Six.
Rules clarification bears out that #10 was not converted prior to last night (under Found or others Dead rule for #7 Bomb).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:42 am

Lassr wrote:If 10 had been found, 7 will remain hidden until 10 is dead or 10 finds 7. 7 would not detonate the bomb until found or ALL active Cylons are dead.

Most excellent. Thanks.

Specialist #2 and #3.

Please step up and make yourself known.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:45 am

Active but have not claimed Specialist:
Scoop20906 ---
Unagi ---
RevHempus ---
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Remainder:

redrun ---
purge ---

Now, I doubt Remus wanted a Specialist scanned (Bakh=human)
and he argued against mipe being one (mipe=human)

Grund is human, could be one (this would suck as it was one of my scans too, only good side is he cannot be #10)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:46 am

Unagi wrote:I am praying the two specialist are redrun and purge.

OK, well I have chimed in. I am not a Specialist.

Bakhtosh : ?

RevHempus: Can we assume that you are not a Specialist? Please clarify.
Scoop: You are sticking to the "I am a citizen" thing too, right?

redrun: ?
purge: ?

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:00 pm

Unagi wrote:
Specialist #2 and #3.

Please step up and make yourself known.

-- Brain moving slow this morning, so I want to take some time to think about the implications of the double kill last night.

I agree about the specialists coming forward.

Meetings for several hours, but will post more in a bit.