The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:51 am

Chaz wrote:
Defiant wrote:Starting January 20, Donald Drumpf Can Send Unblockable Mass Text Messages to the Entire Nation

While it’d be a true nightmare to get screeching alerts from your phone that “Loser Senate Democrats still won’t confirm great man Peter Thiel to Supreme Court. Sad!”, there are some checks and balances on this. While President-elect Drumpf hasn’t shown much impulse control when it comes to his favorite mass-messaging service, Twitter, the process for issuing a WEA isn’t as simple as typing out a 90-character alert from a presidential smartphone and hitting “Send.”
I'm willing to believe a lot of things about this administration, but fear that he's about to start abusing the emergency alert system just seems like over the top alarm. At least at this point.

You're probably right, but I hope he does do it because it will piss everyone off. Most people hate that they have to have the damn thing on their phone to begin with. Imagine the anger when Heir Trump starts sending political messages at 3am in the morning through an app that you can't uninstall or ignore.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:05 am

‘I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally’

But don't you go off thinking you can audit that count...

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/O ... 4089_7.pdf

It's not like there's anyone out there trying their hand at election fraud in the state. (Though this is not for presidential election tampering)

http://www.grandhaventribune.com/Courts ... fraud.html

What's that about voter suppression not being a real thing?

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/201 ... nge_m.html

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:28 am

Defiant wrote:
Yes, that's the House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

Heading to the 2064 GOP convention:

Covenant72 · Post by **Covenant72** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:37 am

RunningMn9 wrote:
malchior wrote:I can't believe humanity could be this stupid but then again we elected Trump so all bets are off.
Apparently we live in a world where what you want to be true, is good enough.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:56 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon ... e047f25f2?

Wasn't his biggest fan on tDS but I've.... I can't say enjoyed... but empathized? with his positions throughout 2016.

We’re in post-accountability

Nailed it with a bumper sticker.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:18 pm

Chaz wrote:I'm willing to believe a lot of things about this administration, but fear that he's about to start abusing the emergency alert system just seems like over the top alarm. At least at this point.

In the grand scheme of powers I fear he is going to use - this has to rank towards the bottom.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:47 pm

malchior wrote:
Chaz wrote:I'm willing to believe a lot of things about this administration, but fear that he's about to start abusing the emergency alert system just seems like over the top alarm. At least at this point.
In the grand scheme of powers I fear he is going to use - this has to rank towards the bottom.

Yup, it just won't scratch the ego itch in the same way that twitter does.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:38 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
malchior wrote:
Chaz wrote:I'm willing to believe a lot of things about this administration, but fear that he's about to start abusing the emergency alert system just seems like over the top alarm. At least at this point.
In the grand scheme of powers I fear he is going to use - this has to rank towards the bottom.
Yup, it just won't scratch the ego itch in the same way that twitter does.

Are you sure? I have a feeling he's bound to get plenty of attention/responses if he uses it. Twitter is limited to merely those that follow him or follow political news on the Internet. That doesn't seem likely nearly as wide an audience.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:40 pm

It's a good thing we kept that Crooked Hillary and her pay to play schemes out of the White House!!

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:48 pm

New strategy: We can't get him impeached, convicted, and removed if he continually resets the clock by adding charges.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:27 pm

More on the recount efforts

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/m ... unt-232114

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:36 pm

Politicus USA

The Wall Street Journal (subscription required) reported that the deal only covers 800 Carrier jobs in the Indianapolis furnace plant and an additional 300 research and development jobs that were not going to Mexico. Carrier parent company United Technologies still intends to move 1,300 jobs to Mexico.
...

Using taxpayer dollars to bribe companies to stay in the US is always a bad deal, but the deal gets even worse when it keeps less than half of the at risk jobs in the country. Trump and Pence just threw away seven million dollars that Indiana taxpayers are going to have to pay for so that Carrier can keep a fraction of the jobs they were going to send to Mexico in the country.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:45 pm

Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism'

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:54 pm

Defiant wrote:Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism'

Someone is tired of waiting for the phone to ring.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:11 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-ph ... na-2016-12

President-elect Donald Trump spoke with the president of Taiwan by phone on Friday, in a move likely to infuriate Beijing and hinder US-China relations.

"President-elect Trump spoke with President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan, who offered her congratulations," according to a readout of the call released by Trump's transition team.

"During the discussion, they noted the close economic, political, and security ties" between Taiwan and the United States, the statement continued. "President-elect Trump also congratulated President Tsai on becoming President of Taiwan earlier this year."

The call, first reported by the Financial Times, is the first time a US president has directly spoken with Taiwan's leadership in more than 30 years.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:31 pm

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:33 pm

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:37 pm

Defiant wrote:

Huh. This is how the end begins.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:46 pm

What the fuck is this clown doing? Doesn't need intelligence briefings. Somehow *still* hasn't gotten prepped by the State Dept for any communications with foreign leaders. Just continual blundering and fawning over autocratic strongmen around the globe. Now he's sucking up to the Philippines douche?

As I noted back on Nov 9, I had no choice but to hope against all hope that this fucking dummy accidentally succeeded. His erratic behavior is even worse than I expected.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:54 pm

Speaking of Trump's international bungling:

Donald Trump's ingratiating conversation with Pakistan's PM causes anger in India

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:57 pm

There's already a rumor that John Bolton (who met with Trump today) made the Taiwan call happen.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:08 pm

We're going to need Nixon back.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:20 pm

China isn't just going to be infuriated. This is a MAJOR public Loss of Face that will seriously shift foreign policy with caused solely by Trump's inexperience and blundering.

Terrible.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:39 pm

World leaders will quickly learn that Trump is a loose cannon whose random impulses are devoid of meaning. It will take longer to figure out to whom they should talk instead. Presumably that person should be his SecState, but will s/he be the real power behind the throne?

Nobody knows. We're making this up as we go along.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:08 pm

Holman wrote:There's already a rumor that John Bolton (who met with Trump today) made the Taiwan call happen.

If so.

This isn't a blunder, it is a calculated decision.

The Reagan approach of standing tall instead of the normal cowering.

Hopefully this means Bolton might also get SecState.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:03 pm

Rip wrote:
Holman wrote:There's already a rumor that John Bolton (who met with Trump today) made the Taiwan call happen.
If so.

This isn't a blunder, it is a calculated decision.

The Reagan approach of standing tall instead of the normal cowering.

Hopefully this means Bolton might also get SecState.

Taiwanese press, meanwhile, is reporting that the call was arranged by Trump's team.

STANDING TALL!!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:06 pm

Rip wrote:Hopefully this means Bolton might also get SecState.

No-talent ass clown...

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:29 pm

It's going to be like this from now on, isn't it? Every day a new crisis. It's going to be absolutely exhausting.

From time to time, I'm hit with an overwhelming sense of despair for what's to come. Then it passes, and things feel normal again... until the next insane flare-up and I think to myself, holy hell did this country fuck up.

Can't we get a mulligan?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:48 pm

It's rather depressing to see how years, hell decades, of established foreign policy protocols, decorum, and relationships just fly right out the window because less than a quarter of the US electorate decided that STIGGINIT was a viable political alternative.

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:00 am

Rip wrote:
Holman wrote:There's already a rumor that John Bolton (who met with Trump today) made the Taiwan call happen.
If so.

This isn't a blunder, it is a calculated decision.

The Reagan approach of standing tall instead of the normal cowering.

Tough guy.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:10 am

I'm willing to take a wait and see stance with the Taiwan issue. Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it is wrong. I hear similar gnashing of teeth when Obama upended the status quo with Cuba but that outrage was over the top.

If it was just winging it then it was a mistake. If it was a calculated decision then... Maybe we should wait and see. Taiwan is not part of China. We can put our heads in the sand and act like it is for diplomacy sake.but it's not reality.

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:03 am

Rip wrote:
Holman wrote:There's already a rumor that John Bolton (who met with Trump today) made the Taiwan call happen.
If so.

This isn't a blunder, it is a calculated decision.

The Reagan approach of standing tall instead of the normal cowering.

Hopefully this means Bolton might also get SecState.

The same Reagan who implemented the don't talk to Taiwan president policy?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:20 am

There are arguments for and against recognizing Taiwan. But there is NO argument for recognizing Taiwan in this way, before you're president, with no warning or preparations or considering the ramifications.

Well, unless that argument includes luxury hotels in Taiwan, I guess.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:24 am

Holman wrote:
Taiwanese press, meanwhile, is reporting that the call was arranged by Trump's team.

STANDING TALL!!

So he pissed off China and calls Taiwan liars all at the same time. Impressive.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:26 am

Chrisoc13 wrote:I'm willing to take a wait and see stance with the Taiwan issue. Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it is wrong. I hear similar gnashing of teeth when Obama upended the status quo with Cuba but that outrage was over the top.

If it was just winging it then it was a mistake. If it was a calculated decision then... Maybe we should wait and see. Taiwan is not part of China. We can put our heads in the sand and act like it is for diplomacy sake.but it's not reality.

But the the status quo in our relations with China and Taiwan is what PRESERVES Taiwan's independence. That's what all previous presidents (Reagan included) have understood. Dicking around with this threatens Taiwan way more than Beijing.

Slapping China across the face on this doesn't end with Taiwan powerful and China humiliated. It ends with Taiwan invaded and/or our economy in shambles.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:29 am

Holman wrote:
But the the status quo in our relations with China and Taiwan is what PRESERVES Taiwan's independence. That's what all previous presidents (Reagan included) have understood. Dicking around with this threatens Taiwan way more than Beijing.

Slapping China across the face on this doesn't end with Taiwan powerful and China humiliated. It ends with Taiwan invaded and/or our economy in shambles.

+1

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:10 am

Holman wrote:
Chrisoc13 wrote:I'm willing to take a wait and see stance with the Taiwan issue. Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it is wrong. I hear similar gnashing of teeth when Obama upended the status quo with Cuba but that outrage was over the top.

If it was just winging it then it was a mistake. If it was a calculated decision then... Maybe we should wait and see. Taiwan is not part of China. We can put our heads in the sand and act like it is for diplomacy sake.but it's not reality.
But the the status quo in our relations with China and Taiwan is what PRESERVES Taiwan's independence. That's what all previous presidents (Reagan included) have understood. Dicking around with this threatens Taiwan way more than Beijing.

Slapping China across the face on this doesn't end with Taiwan powerful and China humiliated. It ends with Taiwan invaded and/or our economy in shambles.

China doesn't have the balls. Taiwan isn't just going to give in and that is a war that would be far more damaging to China than anyone. China has been getting more belligerent and this is the perfect play.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:32 am

Rip wrote:China doesn't have the balls. Taiwan isn't just going to give in and that is a war that would be far more damaging to China than anyone. China has been getting more belligerent and this is the perfect play.

What's terrifying is that Steve Bannon is probably whispering this kind of asinine bullshit into Trump's ear right now.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:04 am

Holman wrote:
Rip wrote:China doesn't have the balls. Taiwan isn't just going to give in and that is a war that would be far more damaging to China than anyone. China has been getting more belligerent and this is the perfect play.
What's terrifying is that Steve Bannon is probably whispering this kind of asinine bullshit into Trump's ear right now.

Yep - what was gained? Seriously - what was gained at all? China doesn't have the balls? WHY TAKE THAT RISK FOR NO GAIN? Talk about Risk management 101. A small child knows you don't punch someone in the face just because.

And we get to the meat of it - his narcissism on full display.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:34 am

A question for PGOTUS from Mr. Pacino (NSFW)