That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
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this post doesn't mention Hillary at all. what's up? you feeling okay?Rip wrote:Surprised you guys aren't rumbling more about DACA.
I guess the dead dog protocol is more effective than I realized.
It's also utterly cynical. He's attacking DACA to earn cred with his racist base while fully expecting Congress to make actual action on DACA impossible.Chaz wrote:Oh, I'm rumbling about DACA, just not here.
It's probably the cruelest, most vindictive thing he's done yet. Probably to be topped within a few months.
In fairness, if this is true, it is EXACTLY what the middle fringe of his constituency. hired him for. They knew he was a shitty human, but they bought into the idea that shitty humans make great business men and great leaders particularly when they are not politicians. Scary dad authoritarianism and all that. Don't be shocked if Congress fixes this and his ratings go up.Chaz wrote:Further than that, if Congress does manage to finally do something legislatively, then Trump gets to turn around and say, "I wanted this the whole time! I knew Congress wouldn't act unless I did something drastic, so I rescinded it to force them to move! I'm so happy!"
Of course, if he actually wanted something to happen, he'd be proposing a concrete legislative action. Instead, he's doing this and yelling about building a wall.
I'm not sure it's strategic so much as sales 101. He's not looking at the long game just you threaten the customer with something shitty and shift the responsibility to your boss/coworker, relying on the fact that they are not as shitty as you are.Chaz wrote:If that's what he's doing, and I'm super not convinced he's that strategically deep, it's massively shitty to play legislative chicken with almost a million lives.
I see that Trump isn't the only one that gets his talking points from Fox and Friends...Rip wrote:If they want it just pass legislation, you know like it was intended to work.
Best move would be to tie in border wall funding.
Compromise......
On the assumption that Trump was watching — and he often is — “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday offered the president advice for his impending decision on the Obama-era program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which extends deportation reprieves to undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.
“I have an idea,” co-host Brian Kilmeade said during a segment with Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano. “Let's build the wall and let the dreamers stay. Isn't that called compromise?”
“Dreamers” is a nickname for DACA recipients and “the wall” is, of course, the barrier Trump has promised to erect along the border with Mexico.
“Yes, that is compromise,” Napolitano replied.
Then Abby Huntsman, filling in for Ainsley Earhardt, chimed in. “That might be what the president was thinking all along, though,” she said. “Maybe it could be a bargaining chip in some way.”
At that point, Napolitano turned to face the camera and addressed Trump directly. “Mr. President, not a bad idea,” he said.
So now enforcing the law is racist.....Captain Caveman wrote:Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.
It is when selectively applied (cough Arapaio cough) and supported by BS racist claims... like Dreamers being tied to gang violence (see Trump's just released statement).Rip wrote:So now enforcing the law is racist.....Captain Caveman wrote:Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.
Oh, is enforcing the law a thing we're concerned about now?Rip wrote:So now enforcing the law is racist.....Captain Caveman wrote:Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.
It can be, yes. What's your point?Rip wrote:So now enforcing the law is racist.....Captain Caveman wrote:Give me this racist thing and I'll not do this other racist thing. Compromise.
So is the SCOTUS racist as well?malchior wrote:I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.
Not doing this goalpost dance again. Try again.Rip wrote:So is the SCOTUS racist as well?malchior wrote:I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.
They did shoot down DAPA and DACA expansion.
Calling everything you don't like racist is the ultimate moving of goalposts.malchior wrote:Not doing this goalpost dance again. Try again.Rip wrote:So is the SCOTUS racist as well?malchior wrote:I like that this is about enforcement of the law all of a sudden. Call me when the GOP funds enforcement of tax law on the wealthy consistently instead of intentionally under funding it. It is racism. He ran on a racist platform. He has said racist things. It is blatant. They can try to paint it as law and order all they want but it is bullshit.
They did shoot down DAPA and DACA expansion.
My employer just sent out an email to everyone regarding DACA and what can be done if we'd like to personally help. As such, we were given a link to follow that automatically generates a letter that will be mailed to our government representatives. While I know that phone calls are the preference, I'm hoping when they get flooded with mail and email it will help reinforce how gross this is.Captain Caveman wrote:I'm a college professor at a minority-majority Texas University and I undoubtedly have students in my classes affected by this.
The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.Scoop20906 wrote:I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.
It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.
This is going to fail utterly as well.
Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.Captain Caveman wrote:The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.Scoop20906 wrote:I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.
It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.
This is going to fail utterly as well.
I would not blame the democrats for blocking that "victory". The wall should never get funded. Ever.El Guapo wrote:Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.Captain Caveman wrote:The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.Scoop20906 wrote:I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.
It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.
This is going to fail utterly as well.
One trick being that there would have to be something in the bill beyond just DACA preservation (presumably something horrible) in order for Trump to be able to call it a victory and sign the bill. Wall funding could do it - the question is whether that would need to be actual funding for a genuine full border wall, or whether they could fund like a 10 foot extension of what's in Texas already and call that a victory.
To pass using primarily Democratic votes would require Ryan and McConnell bringing up the bill against the wishes of most in his party and the base would eat them alive. It's not going to happen. The Trump administration has to know the odds are scant that any legislation reaches Trump's desk, so this isn't about improving policy or fixing a problems with DACA but about Trump wanting to seem tough on immigration for his base while at the same time having someone else to blame for the blowback.El Guapo wrote:Well, there is a key difference here, insofar as Obamacare repeal is unpopular (and the particular GOP repeal bills are *really* unpopular), whereas protecting dreamers is (notwithstanding the immigration climate generally) pretty popular. Of course, immigration is a big bugaboo of the GOP (and Trumpist) base), but it's at least possible that a DACA protection bill could get 13 Republican + all democratic votes in the House, and 2 - 3 Senators + all democratic senators in the Senate.Captain Caveman wrote:The GOP controls both houses and couldn't repeal Obamacare, so realistically chances they get something done on this are slim to none. And honestly, that's probably the basis of Trump's play here. He's a coward looking to skirt the blame.Scoop20906 wrote:I'll be happy to see what legislation Congress is able to come up with.
It's hard not to be cynical when all this is a political football for Donny to use to try to get his wall. People don't matter to him.
This is going to fail utterly as well.
One trick being that there would have to be something in the bill beyond just DACA preservation (presumably something horrible) in order for Trump to be able to call it a victory and sign the bill. Wall funding could do it - the question is whether that would need to be actual funding for a genuine full border wall, or whether they could fund like a 10 foot extension of what's in Texas already and call that a victory.
Loser couldn't even say it in 140 characters.Captain Caveman wrote:Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.