Octopus Overlords

Smoove_B wrote:
My only hope for all this is that we're seeing the death throes of a dying administration, and the cruel actions taken by an individual that knows his days are numbered. I can only imagine what the history books will say about the America we've been living in since January. It's absolutely shameful.

“President Obama wrongly believed he had the authority to re-write our immigration law. Today’s action by President Trump corrects that fundamental mistake.

“This Congress will continue working on securing our border and ensuring a lawful system of immigration that works.”

Captain Caveman wrote:Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.

Moliere wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.

Because Obama was awesome when it came to deportation policies? Notice that Obama not only deported more than Bush Jr. (or any other President), but he always deported more non-criminals than criminals.

malchior wrote:We are "led" by immoral assholes. No doubt about it. The light is getting very dim on the city on the hill.

For decades, conventional political wisdom said a well-crafted apology was a necessary step in moving past a bad news cycle. But like so many Washington rules, the political apology seems to be another casualty of the Trump culture wars.

Political observers said elected officials, especially those who support Trump, are now mimicking the president’s inability to be shamed or pressured by outsiders.

“Politicians who have Trump-like profiles have gotten the message,” said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. “The old method of dealing with scandal was the fervent apology — sometimes tearful, occasionally accompanied by a full apology tour. It’s painful and no longer necessary.”

Trump’s refusal to admit fault is a core part of his public personality, as central as his deal-making.

Moliere wrote:

Captain Caveman wrote:Obama enters the fray on DACA. Here's his statement.

Because Obama was awesome when it came to deportation policies? Notice that Obama not only deported more than Bush Jr. (or any other President), but he always deported more non-criminals than criminals.

Rip wrote:There are about twice as many illegals as there was in 2001.

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:There are about twice as many illegals as there was in 2001.

The undocumented immigrant population rose sharply in the 90s but has actually declined over the last decade.

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:There are about twice as many illegals as there was in 2001.

The undocumented immigrant population rose sharply in the 90s but has actually declined over the last decade.

Rip wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:There are about twice as many illegals as there was in 2001.

The undocumented immigrant population rose sharply in the 90s but has actually declined over the last decade.

More like it has stayed the same. Been about 11M since 2006.

hepcat wrote:8.6 percent to 11.6 is not a 100 percent growth. It's not even a 50 percent growth.

Rip wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:There are about twice as many illegals as there was in 2001.

The undocumented immigrant population rose sharply in the 90s but has actually declined over the last decade.

More like it has stayed the same. Been about 11M since 2006.

12.2 to 11.3 is not "the same".

Rip wrote:
It is however 10X what it was in 1974.

Rip wrote:It is however 10X what it was in 1974.

Remus West wrote:

Rip wrote:It is however 10X what it was in 1974.

You mean more people have access to transportation today than in 1974 to get them away from horrible situations in pursuit of opportunity?! The horror.

By the start of the 1970s, the number of illegal aliens had tripled since 1965, and four out of five illegal immigrants arriving to the U.S. are from Mexico. By 1972, the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that the illegal immigrant population had topped 1 million, leading many to call illegal immigration out of control. For the rest of the decade, the estimates of the country's illegal immigrant population varied widely. In 1975, the U.S. House of Representatives introduced a bill providing for amnesty along with employer sanctions for hiring illegal immigrants. Concerned about the rise in illegal immigration, President Gerald Ford set up a Domestic Council Committee on Illegal Aliens, which reported that illegal immigrants were driving down the wages of low-skilled workers. The committee findings urged employer sanctions, harsher penalties for smugglers and an amnesty program. Congress was dissatisfied with the proposals, and in 1978 passed a law to create the Select Commission on Immigration and Refugee Policy to further explore national solutions. Under the Carter administration, the Select Commission determined that the nation’s immigration policy was in disarray. The Select Commission recommended a focus on law enforcement, such as employer sanctions for hiring illegal immigrants, and better border security. It simultaneously rejected a foreign guest-worker program, while supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants. Little action was taken immediately.

Zarathud wrote: For the total number of unauthorized immigrants to fall by 1 million since 2007, more had to die or leave than arrive. How can anyone call this a border emergency?

President Donald Trump overruled congressional Republicans and his own treasury secretary Wednesday and cut a deal with Democrats to fund the government and raise the federal borrowing limit for three months, all part of an agreement to speed money to Harvey relief.

In the course of a relatively brief negotiating session at the White House, Trump largely sided with Democratic leaders as they pushed for the three-month deal. He brushed aside calls from Republican congressional leaders and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for a longer extension to the debt limit, which Republicans had been aiming for to avoid having to take another vote on the politically toxic issue before the 2018 elections.

Trump then boarded a plane to North Dakota with Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, in an effort to garner bipartisan support for tax legislation that Republican leaders are crafting on a purely partisan basis.

That continued the day of bizarre disconnects between the president and the leaders of his party.

"We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer," Trump told reporters on Air Force One, not bothering to mention House Speaker Paul Ryan or Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who also were present. "We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred, very important."

"We had a very good meeting, we essentially came to a deal and I think the deal will be very good," Trump said. Details of the meeting were disclosed by several aides briefed on the proceedings who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly.

The deal promises to speed the $7.9 billion Hurricane Harvey aid bill, which passed the House overwhelmingly Wednesday, to Trump's desk before disaster accounts run out later this week.

The move also buys almost three months, until Dec. 15, for Washington to try to solve myriad other issues, including more funding for the military, immigration and health care, and a longer-term increase in the government's borrowing authority to avoid a first-ever default.

Trump cut the deal at the White House just hours after Ryan had slammed the idea of the three-month extension sought by Democrats as "ridiculous."

Zarathud wrote:Once unauthorized immigrants arrived in the US, they decided to stay. (Not) Shocking!

For the total number of unauthorized immigrants to fall by 1 million since 2007, more had to die or leave than arrive. How can anyone call this a border emergency?

Rip wrote:I am surprised at you surprise.

I fully expect everything he does undesirable will be attributed to his evilness and anything good to his ignorance.

He could give every illegal immigrant in the country amnesty in the morning and most of the left would find a way to disparage him for it.

Tis the world we now live in.

LordMortis wrote:I dislike Trump more than the next guy but I must be missing something. You are slamming him and praising Democrats for him stepping up to the plate in spite of the GOP for the good of the Union and for compassion to those affected by Harvey.

LordMortis wrote:I dislike Trump more than the next guy but I must be missing something. You are slamming him and praising Democrats for him stepping up to the plate in spite of the GOP for the good of the Union and for compassion to those affected by Harvey.

Rip wrote:He could give every illegal immigrant in the country amnesty in the morning and most of the left would find a way to disparage him for it.

LordMortis wrote:I dislike Trump more than the next guy but I must be missing something. You are slamming him and praising Democrats for him stepping up to the plate in spite of the GOP for the good of the Union and for compassion to those affected by Harvey.

Rip wrote:I am surprised at you surprise.

I fully expect everything he does undesirable will be attributed to his evilness and anything good to his ignorance.

He could give every illegal immigrant in the country amnesty in the morning and most of the left would find a way to disparage him for it.

Tis the world we now live in.

Rip wrote:I am surprised at you surprise.

He could give every illegal immigrant in the country amnesty in the morning and most of the left would find a way to disparage him for it.