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Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

Poll ended at Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:00 pm

Joe Biden will be on the ballot in November
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Joe Biden will NOT be on the ballot in November
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Increasing numbers of voters don't think Biden should be running after debate with Trump
cbsnews.com wrote:Some Democrats question Biden's ability to campaign in the 2024 presidential election, divide over whether he should be the nominee, after voters say Trump won debate.

For months before the first debate, the nation's voters repeatedly expressed doubts over whether President Biden had the cognitive health enough to serve.

Today, those doubts have grown even more: now at nearly three-quarters of the electorate, and now including many within his own party.

And today, after the debate with former President Trump, an increased number of voters, including many Democrats, don't think Mr. Biden should be running for president at all. Nearly half his party doesn't think he should now be the nominee.

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What now?
After the debate, some Democratic officials reportedly said Joe Biden should step aside as the nominee and give another Democrat a chance to run for president in 2024.

That idea finds resonance with nearly half the nation's rank-and-file Democrats.

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That's related to perceptions of Mr. Biden's health: Democrats who don't think Mr. Biden has the mental and cognitive health to serve are more likely to say he shouldn't be the nominee.

And that former number has increased among Democrats. (It's also gone up among independents.)

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More Democratic Voters Than Not Want Biden Replaced After Debate Performance
pro.morningconsult.com wrote:Plurality of Democrats say Biden should be replaced as nominee
Shares of voters who said President Joe Biden should or should not be replaced as the Democratic candidate for president, among all voters and those who watched the June 27 debate

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Three in 5 voters, including a 47% plurality of Democrats, said Biden should be replaced as the Democratic candidate for president. The figures are slightly higher among Democratic voters who watched the debate.
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He's not going to be replaced, and quite frankly the hype around this is starting to wear really thin given that we saw Biden give a very solid performance in NC hours later, and the first high-quality polls coming out post-debate have actually shown Biden gaining.

I suspect a week from now, when the polls are showing Biden still running neck and neck, the talk of replacing him is going to slow down to a trickle. Every single major Dem candidate that has been discussed to replace him runs a full 5 or 6 points behind Trump. Every single one. It would be political suicide, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising they're so heavily considering it.

Beau of the Fifth Column had a good point in a recent video that the only people freaking out are the people that are heavily immersed in politics. Low-info voters got the Joe Biden in the debate that they expected, as they've been hearing the rhetoric from the right about "Slow Joe" for months. So it didn't surprise them, and so far, it looks like it didn't really affect their opinion much.
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The opinion that mattered was the primary votes, which Biden won. This is typical Democratic Party hand-wringing and self-sabotage.
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He will. Win or lose, this is the path that has been selected.

So much can happen between now and November.
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Trump could even become an honest human bei….

…sorry, I couldn’t write that without laughing.

Did you know every Dem on earth wanted Roe vs Wade overturned?

That’s STILL my favorite. :lol:
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Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:12 pm He will. Win or lose, this is the path that has been selected.

So much can happen between now and November.
Indeed. As far as I'm concerned, Biden's advanced age and the fragility he exhibited during the debates while stepping onto and off the stage with his wife's help, combined with his slack-jawed and glassy-eyed 'resting 25th amendment face' (hat tip to Jon Stewart), leave significant room for doubt about his capacity to handle the rigours of enduring the gruelling campaign trail. Particularly in conjunction with Hunter Biden's looming tax charges trial in September and gun charges sentencing, and the demands of the presidency itself, especially in the face of mounting international crises. Joe Biden seems like a worn-out violin string, stretched to its limits and ready to snap at the slightest whisper of a breeze. As a frail octogenarian, it seriously makes me wonder if he'll even survive to make it until November 5.
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My news feed says his family is telling him to double down, and their opinions matter more than yours. For better or worse, Joe's the man.

I probably wrote something similar in the 2020 primaries. Biden was never my first choice but has greatly exceeded expectations, and could do so again by living through January.

Democratic Party rules reportedly make it far easier for TPTB to replace a candidate after the convention than before, so if there's 4D chess going on we won't see the results until that chaos generator is past.
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Things could get messy
What happens if a president-elect passes away at the last minute?
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Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:25 am Particularly in conjunction with Hunter Biden's looming tax charges trial in September and gun charges sentencing
you had me a bit. You had me right up until you said "Particularly" and then added what was probably the absolute weakest reasons.
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Unagi wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:18 am
Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:25 am Particularly in conjunction with Hunter Biden's looming tax charges trial in September and gun charges sentencing
you had me a bit. You had me right up until you said "Particularly" and then added what was probably the absolute weakest reasons.
You don't think Hunter Biden's impending tax charges trial and sentencing are relevant factors that will further increase the level of stress President Biden must endure as he heads into the election on November 5th?
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Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:42 am
Unagi wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:18 am
Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:25 am Particularly in conjunction with Hunter Biden's looming tax charges trial in September and gun charges sentencing
you had me a bit. You had me right up until you said "Particularly" and then added what was probably the absolute weakest reasons.
You don't think Hunter Biden's impending tax charges trial and sentencing are relevant factors that will further increase the level of stress President Biden must endure as he heads into the election on November 5th?

Well, yeah versus lowering it, it will technically "increase" his stress level, although, probably not 'particularly' compared to running for President versus Donald Trump.

I imagine Hunter Biden holds a very clear spot in Joe's head. He's been dealing with Hunter his entire life, this isn't some added weight.

In so far as the tax charges trial being a reason people will have for not voting for Biden, I also don't find it a 'particularly' troubling liability.
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No idea. While I don't think he should be on the ballot I have no way of knowing what happens between now and October. If he's still on the ballot in October (and probably even September) then I think he will be on the ballot. That said, he's still getting my vote. And if he bows out I can't imagine dems putting up a candidate that turns my stomach so bad that either don't vote out of protest or in the looneyverse for TFG.

Also, I didn't think he should be running even before the debate. I was hoping the debate was going to be a pleasant surprise nor even "it's not that bad" but as much as I could stomach, it was. Call it the wrong environment or off night. I don't care. Part of a president's job is projecting leadership and in no small part, doing it when it counts.

Now ask me if TFG should be on the ballot in November.
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Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:42 am
Unagi wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:18 am
Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:25 am Particularly in conjunction with Hunter Biden's looming tax charges trial in September and gun charges sentencing
you had me a bit. You had me right up until you said "Particularly" and then added what was probably the absolute weakest reasons.
You don't think Hunter Biden's impending tax charges trial and sentencing are relevant factors that will further increase the level of stress President Biden must endure as he heads into the election on November 5th?
Just out of curiosity, we're you going to vote for Biden if he was younger/had a stronger showing last week?
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Kraken wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:33 am Biden was never my first choice but has greatly exceeded expectations, and could do so again by living through January.
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There's an outside chance that Biden simply opts out for personal reasons, his family and friends talking him out of it or himself coming to the conclusion that he doesn't want or need to run for a second term. Other than that or him becoming incapacitated, if Biden wants to stay in the race the only person who is going to force him to drop out is the Grim Reaper.

BTW, there was a funny t-shirt during the 2016 Hillary-Trump election with Cthulhu on it with the caption "Why settle for a lesser evil?" We need a new variation of that but this time alluding to Great Old Ones.
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"That is not dead which can eternal campaign" or something along those lines.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:27 am Just out of curiosity, we're you going to vote for Biden if he was younger/had a stronger showing last week?
I appreciate your curiosity, but I'll politely decline exploring that hypothetical rabbit hole. Though in my view, if Biden does not relinquish the nomination, it'll be the surest means of guaranteeing Trump's re-election in November and defeat for down-ballot candidates in competitive races.
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I think this is a bit of a side show. Which is how the slow moving coup folk like it.

After today’s Supreme Court ruling it’s clear.

1. Trump will win the popular vote (unlikely)
2. Trump will win the electoral college fairly (possible)
3. Trump will use his Supreme Court buddies to push close races to Republican state legislatures when he loses. (Highly probable)

Just like with the Nazis rise a lot of democrats will defect to the Republican Party for their own survival.

And Biden will just gape and watch.
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I dunno, if the vote were held right now Trump probably would win the most votes, as insane as that is.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:43 pm I dunno, if the vote were held right now Trump probably would win the most votes, as insane as that is.
I dunno about probably but I wouldn't be shocked. Dismayed, yes. Shocked, no.
waitingtoconnect wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:06 pm 3. Trump will use his Supreme Court buddies to push close races to Republican state legislatures when he loses. (Highly probable)
Again, don't know about highly probable, but shocked, no.
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Trump has a few more months to prove just what a shit heel he is to those who are swaying towards him now. Never underestimate how vile fat orange Joffrey can be.

Jaundiced Joffrey?

Jello Joffrey?

I’m still workshopping….
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You go with what ya got. Anything but tRump. Id like to see younger folk get in there and do something progressive when it comes to things. Things like weed and war and poverty. Fuck these old geriatric old school fellas. I want the future to be here now. Get more women and races in there. This country is SO fucking sad at the ballot box. Always has been.
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Just in -- it turns out President Biden had an Immunity Idol during the entire debate. His official performance can't be constrained by law, so expect Dark Brandon to shoot Trump onstage during the next debate.
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...and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Shooting Trump would be an 'official duty'...
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Blackhawk wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:47 pm
...and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Shooting Trump would be an 'official duty'...
Good point. I was going to say that a debate is campaigning, and campaigning isn't official duty. But neutralizing trump rises to that status regardless of the context.
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It'll be a little funny if Biden drops out, Harris gets the nod, wins, and the Trump era begins by beating the would be first female president and (god willing) ends with the actual first female president.
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Democrats begin attacking Biden’s performance and campaign
politico.com wrote:Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) said the president needs to step aside and usher in a “new generation of leaders.”

“Folks want to know — what’s the plan, Joe? What is the plan not only for you, but the rest of us to get out there and carry the flag? Are you able and is the campaign able to maintain the pace?” said one Democratic adviser to a governor who was on the call. The Democrat was granted anonymity to discuss the matter.

The collective response on Tuesday highlighted that members of Biden’s own party are beginning to be more open about their frustration with the president and his team in the wake of last Thursday’s disastrous debate performance — where he was at times unable to string together complete sentences — an issue that could hurt Democrats up and down the ticket in November.

Democrats in Congress had mostly stood behind the president, at least publicly, in the days since. Many conceded he had a poor performance but asserted that Biden should be judged for the entirety of his presidency rather than a 90-minute debate.

But in the past 24 hours, at least a half-dozen current or former Democratic members of Congress have bucked the trend, openly acknowledging their skepticism that his campaign is taking the right steps to restore voters’ confidence. Of those, two have called on Biden to step aside.

“Instead of reassuring voters, the President failed to effectively defend his many accomplishments and expose Trump’s many lies [during the debate],” Doggett wrote in a statement. “Too much is at stake to risk a Trump victory. … President Biden saved our democracy by delivering us from Trump in 2020. He must not deliver us to Trump in 2024.”

Doggett, who is serving his 15th term in Congress, added that Biden was polling “substantially” behind Democratic senators and former President Donald Trump in battleground states and encouraged his party to pursue an “open, democratic process” to select a new nominee.

Former Rep. Tim Ryan, who ran against Biden in the Democratic primary in 2020, wrote in an op-ed in Newsweek titled “Kamala Harris Should Be the Democratic Nominee for President in 2024” published Monday evening: “Witnessing Joe Biden struggle was heartbreaking. And we must forge a new path forward.”

“[Biden] promised to be a bridge President to the next generation. ... Regrettably, that bridge collapsed last week,” he wrote.

Ryan added that Democrats need to “rip the band aid off” and make Harris their nominee, praising the vice president for having “grown into her job” and calling her a more formidable debate opponent against former President Donald Trump.



Also on Tuesday, Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) said he was doubtful that Biden just had a bad night during the debate, and he urged the president to consider how his place on the ticket impacts the fate of Democrats in the Congress.

“We have to be honest with ourselves that it wasn’t just a horrible night,” Quigley told CNN host Kasie Hunt. “But I won’t go beyond that out of my respect and understanding for President Joe Biden, a very proud person who has served us extraordinarily for 50 years. I just want him to appreciate at this time just how much this impacts not just his race but all the other races coming in November.”

In the interview, Quigley said Biden “has to be honest with himself” because his decision — and its impact on how Democrats perform down-ballot — “will have implications for decades to come.”

“It’s clear that what took place last week doesn’t seem to influence his decision. I don’t know what will,” Quigley said when asked if polling that showed Democrats would lose the House or Senate could sway Biden’s decision. “It probably takes up to a week to get decent polling. … I do think that’s probably the only thing out there right now that could change his mind or influence that critical decision that, again, only he can make.”

Rep. Jake Auchincloss (D-Mass.) echoed Quigley’s sentiment during a later interview on CNN, calling it unhelpful for the campaign to dismiss voter concerns and adding that he thinks Biden should more aggressively confront worries about his age.

Sen. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) told Semafor that the Biden campaign’s approach to squashing questions about the president’s age, especially by calling people with those anxieties “bed-wetters,” is “inappropriate.”

“I really do criticize the campaign for a dismissive attitude towards people who are raising questions for discussion. That’s just facing the reality that we’re in,” Welch said in the article published Tuesday. “But that’s the discussion we have to have. It has to be from the top levels of the Biden campaign to precinct captains in the southside of Chicago.”

Two of Biden’s top allies in the House were also more vocal about what they think the president needs to do to turn his struggling campaign around.

“Both candidates owe whatever tests you want to put them to in terms of their mental acuity and their health,” Pelosi told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell, recommending that Biden speak with a “serious journalist” just hours before the announcement of an upcoming interview with ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos.

“I will support [Harris]” if Biden steps aside, Clyburn told Mitchell. “... This party should not in any way do anything to work around Ms. Harris. We should do everything we can to bolster her, whether she’s in second place or at the top of the ticket.”

The president’s performance at the debate left Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) “pretty horrified,” he told Providence’s 12 News Monday evening. Whitehouse, who served two years in the Senate with Biden, described a former colleague that he barely recognized.

“The blips of President Biden and the barrage of lying from President Trump were not what one would hope for in a presidential debate,” Whitehouse said.
Biden’s Lapses Are Said to Be Increasingly Common and Worrisome
nytimes.com wrote:People who have spent time with President Biden over the last few months or so said the lapses appear to have grown more frequent, more pronounced and, after Thursday’s debate, more worrisome.

In the weeks and months before President Biden’s politically devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta, several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors noticed that he increasingly appeared confused or listless, or would lose the thread of conversations.

Like many people his age, Mr. Biden, 81, has long experienced instances in which he mangled a sentence, forgot a name or mixed up a few facts, even though he could be sharp and engaged most of the time. But in interviews, people in the room with him more recently said that the lapses seemed to be growing more frequent, more pronounced and more worrisome.

The uncomfortable occurrences were not predictable, but seemed more likely when he was in a large crowd or tired after a particularly bruising schedule. In the 23 days leading up to the debate against former President Donald J. Trump, Mr. Biden jetted across the Atlantic Ocean twice for meetings with foreign leaders and then flew from Italy to California for a splashy fund-raiser, maintaining a grueling pace that exhausted even much younger aides.

Mr. Biden was drained enough from the back-to-back trips to Europe that his team cut his planned debate preparation by two days so he could rest at his house in Rehoboth Beach, Del., before joining advisers at Camp David for rehearsals. The preparations, which took place over six days, never started before 11 a.m. and Mr. Biden was given time for an afternoon nap each day, according to a person familiar with the process.

Referring to the start time, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said “the president was working well before then, after exercising.”

The recent moments of disorientation generated concern among advisers and allies alike. He seemed confused at points during a D-Day anniversary ceremony in France on June 6. The next day, he misstated the purpose of a new tranche of military aid to Ukraine when meeting with its president.

On June 10, he appeared to freeze up at an early celebration of the Juneteenth holiday. On June 18, his soft-spoken tone and brief struggle to summon the name of his homeland security secretary at an immigration event unnerved some of his allies at the event, who traded alarmed looks and later described themselves as “shaken up,” as one put it. Mr. Biden recovered, and named Alejandro N. Mayorkas.
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I think he's gone. I hate to say it, loyal public servant and all. However, by him bowing out, it sends a good message I think [good for the country]. I think if it happens; happens in the next week or so. BY Monday am guessing. Upside, can get some serious youth leadership. I was hesitant at first, but i think the dam us starting to break w/ Doggett. Also Pelosi's endorsement wasn't full throated I thought.

So now...Kamala? Gavin? Gretchen? Illinois Gov? Or HIlary?
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It saddens me to agree with the gist -- Biden should exit gracefully, to preserve his own legacy and for the good of the country.
Newcastle wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:11 pm So now...Kamala? Gavin? Gretchen? Illinois Gov? Or HIlary?
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I was quite shocked to see a poll today showing Kamala Harris running only a point behind Trump in a hypothetical - better than Newsom and some other top contenders. Same poll also showed Michelle Obama wiping the floor with Trump. :lol:
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Could the country handle Harris-Obama?
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Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:02 pm Could the country handle Harris-Obama?
No.

I'm curious who Harris's VP choice would be. Guessing the most boring white guy with credentials that they can find.
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She would choose Liz Cheney just to see Trump’s head explode.
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El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:28 pm
Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:02 pm Could the country handle Harris-Obama?
No.

I'm curious who Harris's VP choice would be. Guessing the most boring white guy with credentials that they can find.
Biden?
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:45 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:28 pm
Alefroth wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:02 pm Could the country handle Harris-Obama?
No.

I'm curious who Harris's VP choice would be. Guessing the most boring white guy with credentials that they can find.
Biden?
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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He admits to nearly falling asleep in the debate. This guy should be removed from office. In a less partisan time the 25th amendment would be invoked.

The Democrats clearly really want independent conservative minded never trumpers like me to vote for Trump.

They clearly do. Their democracy - the one advocated by the DNC - looks increasingly just as bad as the Republican version.

They just need to keep pushing us. Many of us are on the edge. Vote for us because we are not trump isn’t enough anymore.
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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waitingtoconnect wrote:They clearly do. Their democracy - the one advocated by the DNC - looks increasingly just as bad as the Republican version.
Help me here, waiting. I'm really struggling to understand how DNC democracy would in any way be "just as bad" as fascism, because Biden almost fell asleep on a debate stage.

It sounds more like "I need an excuse to vote for Trump without admitting I want to vote for Trump."

At first I thought the debate was a one-off, especially compared to his rally the following day, but the reaction from the party seems like this is a known issue that finally came to light. So I'm firmly in the "shit or get off the pot" camp as to replacing him. The longer this drags out, the worse it looks. The media has already dragged this out way too long and is chipping away the chances of stopping Trump with every day that passes.
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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waitingtoconnect wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:35 am Vote for us because we are not trump isn’t enough anymore.
Yeah, while "I hear ya" - that will ultimately be on you. If you fail to see what Trump is, compared to everything else, well that's your failure really. Yeah, the crappy as DNC could do way better (quite easily), but that doesn't change what Trump is, and if you lose sight of that, that's just you. And yeah - if that's a lot "of you", then yeah - we are fucked.
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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Worst case scenario if Biden wins: he dies/steps aside/is deemed unfit and Harris takes over.

Worst case scenario if Trump wins: he goes through 1273 people in his administration over 4 years again, he puts tariffs on everything and drives the prices up again, he declares war on Latveria after reading a Fantastic Four comic book (correction: having one read TO him), he puts ANOTHER corrupt/out of touch supreme court judge in power, and he lets Putin have Europe because he likes the cut of that man's jib.

So yeah, I'm still voting for Biden...and being fine with getting Harris.
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Re: [Poll] Will Joe Biden be on the ballot in November?

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Replacing Biden would be a nightmare. In addition, there's no historical precedent for doing it so it's anyone's guess how it would work out. My gut feeling is that it would be a mistake.

Similarly, keeping Biden on the ballot was problematic before the debate ("Genocide Joe") as apparently groups of Democrats can't tolerate him so much so that they'd rather see TFG as President, somehow.

So yeah, nightmare scenario. My gut (once again) tells me that you stick with the incumbent. Anyone suggesting they know how the election will play out if he's in or out is selling you something.
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