Too soon to start thinking about 2028?

[stimpy]

Because this one is over.
Even before Trump got shot, Biden had virtually taken himself out of the running due to increased scrutiny over his age and abilities.
Optics are everything, and he just isnt doing himself or his party any favors by staying in.
Dont see any way for Biden and the Dems to over come Trumps momentum in 4 short months.

So looking down the road, can either party do any better in 4 years than they did this year?
Who is up and coming in either party that can get things back on track and lead us into normalcy again?

[YellowKing]

I'm not sure where all the defeatism is coming from. The election will be decided by actual voters, not polls. And this far out, there's nothing guaranteeing a Trump victory. Most voters haven't even started paying attention to the election yet. I see numerous ways to overcome Trump's momentum in the next 4 months. He just handed them a gift to help do so with his VP pick.

[LawBeefaroni]

2024 is probably going to decide if 2028 even happens so I'd say it's a bit premature.

[Alefroth]

I'm not sure where all the defeatism is coming from.

It's Stimpy. I don't think it's defeatism.

[WYBaugh]

2024 is probably going to decide if 2028 even happens so I'd say it's a bit premature.

Yep. If Trump wins, there is no 2028. At least, not in the democratic way that we've been used to.

[stimpy]

I'm not sure where all the defeatism is coming from.

It's Stimpy. I don't think it's defeatism.

Nope....not defeatism.
It's called reality. You should try it sometime!!

[Kraken]

2024 is probably going to decide if 2028 even happens so I'd say it's a bit premature.

Yep. If Trump wins, there is no 2028. At least, not in the democratic way that we've been used to.

That will depend on what happens to Congress. If the Dems hold the Senate and pick up the House, that will be very different from a Republican grand slam. But if they take Congress, too, I agree that the US will no longer be a functioning democracy by '28.

I want to agree with Yellowking, though -- things look bleak right now but there is still ample time for trump to shoot his party in the ear. Project 2025 is a gift to the Dems and abortion rights are still top of mind for many voters. Israel could accept a Biden-brokered cease-fire. The Fed could cut interest rates.

[Zarathud]

There is a lot that could happen. Biden needs an improving economy, a PR win (Israel cease fire would be awesome), and Trump to squander his golden opportunity.

The temptation to commit fraud/bribery now he’s in the lead and thinks himself “immune” would be one pitfall I could see Trump falling into easily. It would have to be blatant and caught in the next few months. But there’s a reason Trump is playing golf rather than on the campaign trail.

[GreenGoo]

Nope....not defeatism.
It's called reality. You should try it sometime!!

Lol, forgive me if I don't take your word for reality. This might be the second time you're wrong about whether drumpf won or not.

[stimpy]

Nope....not defeatism.
It's called reality. You should try it sometime!!

Lol, forgive me if I don't take your word for reality. This might be the second time you're wrong about whether drumpf won or not.

Ummmm.....when he won, he won.
When he didnt, he didnt.
Never said anything other than that.
Nice try though.

[Holman]

Nope....not defeatism.
It's called reality. You should try it sometime!!

Lol, forgive me if I don't take your word for reality. This might be the second time you're wrong about whether drumpf won or not.

Ummmm.....when he won, he won.
When he didnt, he didnt.
Never said anything other than that.
Nice try though.

Just checking in: do you believe that Biden legitimately won the 2020 election?

[stimpy]

Yes

[Alefroth]

I'm not sure where all the defeatism is coming from.

It's Stimpy. I don't think it's defeatism.

Nope....not defeatism.

So I was right.

[GreenGoo]

Ummmm.....when he won, he won.
When he didnt, he didnt.
Never said anything other than that.
Nice try though.

Thanks!

Your ability to predict the past is spot on. I'll wait to see how your prognostication skills hold up for the future.

However, please feel free to discuss 2028 if you are legitimately interested in that election right now. Any insights?

[hepcat]

I predict that Don Jr. will be Don Sr.'s VP pick in 2028 after J.D. leaves coffee cup rings on a table that Don Sr. uses when watching the gorilla channel every night before bed.

I also predict that in 2028, pelmeni will replace apple pie as our national dish, we'll have left NATO in favor of the Warsaw Pact after paying off map makers to move the U.S. on the map to just outside Bulgaria, and Trump Sr. will have finally figured out how to get Melania to stop renegotiating her pre nup. Consequently, the death of the first lady will result in so much sympathy for Trump that he'll be made "Emperor for Life" in a ceremony that he calls "bigger than the Hajj".

Finally, a vaccine will be invented that simulates the effects of bronzer lotion and made mandatory for all newborns.

[EvilHomer3k]

2024 is probably going to decide if 2028 even happens so I'd say it's a bit premature.

Yep. If Trump wins, there is no 2028. At least, not in the democratic way that we've been used to.

That will depend on what happens to Congress. If the Dems hold the Senate and pick up the House, that will be very different from a Republican grand slam. But if they take Congress, too, I agree that the US will no longer be a functioning democracy by '28.

I want to agree with Yellowking, though -- things look bleak right now but there is still ample time for trump to shoot his party in the ear. Project 2025 is a gift to the Dems and abortion rights are still top of mind for many voters. Israel could accept a Biden-brokered cease-fire. The Fed could cut interest rates.

Will it really matter what happens to congress if Trump has absolute immunity and the ability to pardon anyone without question? If there's a small democratic majority what's to stop Trump from having someone arrested on Trumped up charges or even just killed? Or maybe just a short conversation about towing the line and a horses head in their bed? He's certainly not going to be bothered to have any sort of conscience about just doing whatever he wants to get what he wants.

[Sudy]

It's problematic that I'm seeing this 2024 defeatism even from ordinarily reasonable, common sense folks and positive leftist commentators.

I fully understand the urge to proclaim such things as we vent and discuss unfolding events together casually, but I'm deeply concerned about the effects these voices may have on minimally invested voters and potential voters. Rather, now is the time to rally together and encourage one another that we can still make a difference.

For the sake of disclosure, I'm a Canadian living in Canada and don't get a vote. (My wife is American though.) But this affects us all. I also have deep issues with Biden, the Democrats, and the mainstream establishment in general. But the alternative is apocalyptically worse.

Now is not the time to give up. Now's the time to dig in.

[Skinypupy]

Now is not the time to give up. Now's the time to dig in.

I agree with the sentiment, but dig in and do…what? Vote harder? I’ll vote blue for every position from POTUS to dog catcher while begging everyone I know to do the same but my blue vote in a red state doesn’t matter anyways.

Theres not a whole lot I’m gonna do that would make even the smallest difference.

[Sudy]

Not publicly proclaiming "it's over" is itself an action.

Beyond that, I don't know either man.

[Unagi]

Now is not the time to give up. Now's the time to dig in.

I agree with the sentiment, but dig in and do…what? Vote harder? I’ll vote blue for every position from POTUS to dog catcher while begging everyone I know to do the same but my blue vote in a red state doesn’t matter anyways.

Theres not a whole lot I’m gonna do that would make even the smallest difference.

See, my blue vote in a blue state is what doesn't matter. You have work to do

[hepcat]

Now is not the time to give up. Now's the time to dig in.

I agree with the sentiment, but dig in and do…what? Vote harder?

Vote two or three times like we did last time!

…sorry, couldn’t resist making fun of election fraud nuts again.

[Kraken]

Now is not the time to give up. Now's the time to dig in.

I agree with the sentiment, but dig in and do…what? Vote harder? I’ll vote blue for every position from POTUS to dog catcher while begging everyone I know to do the same but my blue vote in a red state doesn’t matter anyways.

Theres not a whole lot I’m gonna do that would make even the smallest difference.

See, my blue vote in a blue state is what doesn't matter. You have work to do

Last election cycle, somebody figured out that there were maybe 100,000 tossup voters spread over four or five states who decided the outcome. This time, both parties are using AI to identify and appeal to those people. The rest of us just have to do what's expected.

I might be able to nudge a couple of uninterested Michigan voters to the polls if the Democrats supply a more compelling reason than Biden. People who don't follow governance swipe left if you brag about his major policy victories and rosy economic statistics.

[waitingtoconnect]

Only too late did Sidney Powell realise that the beast she had chained up would turn against her.

[Jaymann]

My question is, if the oldest man ever to be nominated for president goes down in flames in 2024, who will the Banana Republicans turn to in 2028? There are no charismatic dick-taters on the horizon. This is the risk of putting all their eggs in that demented basket case.

[Victoria Raverna]

After Biden withdraw from the race, suddenly there are too many potential replacement for him. I think it'll be the same for the other side. If Trump is gone, there'll be a lot of Trump wannabes to replace him.