The JD Vance Thread

[Grifman]

Pretty much a VP choice that doesn't bring much to the table other than fawning loyalty. Given Trump's age, if elected, Vance has a pretty decent chance at being president, and he's seems totally out of his depth. Lot's of dumb stuff on him, here is the latest I've seen:

https://twitter.com/MSNBC_reports/statu ... 1267975343

Though his emphasis is on "cat women", he certainly doesn't exclude childless men in his comments. I wonder how all my single male Republicans feel about the fact that he doesn't think their votes should carry the same weight as parents, that they don't have a stake in society.

And his logic is so flawed. As a living person, I certainly have a great stake in what society does that impacts me. And I have nieces and nephews who I love dearly and are concerned about their future. And what about newly married couples who don't have children yet? What about their votes?

He's just stupid.

[hepcat]

Amen. And to make matters even worse, he has zero integrity. He has been caught changing his opinions based on who is around so often it’s ridiculous.

[Zarathud]

JD Vance just picked a fight with Taylor Swift. You don't win a fight against the Swifties.



That's if the cats don't get him first.

[Zarathud]

JD Vance is Jay Blazarian from Big Mouth, who also fucks pillows.

[Jaymann]

Couching viper, hidden bungle.

[Alefroth]

[LordMortis]

he's seems totally out of his depth.

He's bought and paid for by the tech billionaire "founders" who delighted in the mid level banking crash last year that previously allowed them to rake in so much money in "private equity", so I don't think that matters unless he gets a stroke spine for the first time. Much in the way I trust Biden for the team he put together, I am terrified of Vance for the team that got together and put him in place. My rationale is two sides of the same coin.

[LawBeefaroni]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/tech ... alley.html

Last month, J.D. Vance flew to San Francisco to hold a fund-raiser for Donald J. Trump and to host a private dinner afterward with two dozen tech and crypto executives and investors.

The location was the opulent Pacific Heights mansion of David Sacks, an entrepreneur and podcaster whom Mr. Vance had met through the tech investor Peter Thiel. Mr. Vance, now 39 years old, had worked for one of Mr. Thiel’s investment firms in San Francisco in 2016.

During the $300,000-a-person dinner that night, Mr. Trump, seated between Mr. Sacks and another tech investor, Chamath Palihapitiya, informally polled the room about whom to choose as his running mate. Even with another vice-presidential hopeful, Doug Burgum, the governor of North Dakota, in attendance, Mr. Sacks, Mr. Palihapitiya and others all had the same answer: Pick Mr. Vance, they told Mr. Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the exchange.

Lol, Chamath and Sacks. Good job, boys.

[Jaymann]

The Couch Potato's past comments about DonOld write the script for the Dems. They should hammer video clips of those every day.

[Carpet_pissr]

https://twitter.com/MSNBC_reports/statu ... 1267975343

The black lady responding to that clip is missing something, though. She (logically) states that his comments are stupid because there is a such a large population of voting R women, and that this will turn them off. Completely disagree. I will again refer to the explanation of the current R playbook, "Jesus and John Wayne" (everyone on here should read this book IMO), which talks at length about the women on the right, how they vote, and their thinking. It completely explains how they can EASILY still vote for someone making these comments. It doesn't even phase them, and in fact are probably nodding their heads in agreement with him. It all comes back to the patriarchal concepts that they themselves agree with.

So many people on the left don't get this point, because they can't fathom it I think. "But how can WOMEN vote for people who are against THEIR rights and seem so mysogonistic?!"

[Isgrimnur]

I believe firmly in the 2nd amendment. And yet I will continue to vote for people who wish to curtail that right because people are more important.

To me, a real mark of maturity is to be able to support a decision that negatively impacts you because of the greater good.. Excluding crusty jugglers, of course.

[The Meal]

Excluding crusty jugglers, of course.

I do not want to know to what that euphemism refers.

[Isgrimnur]

Excluding crusty jugglers, of course.

I do not want to know to what that euphemism refers.

[The Meal]

Do. Not. Want.

[Isgrimnur]

[LawBeefaroni]

I believe firmly in the 2nd amendment. And yet I will continue to vote for people who wish to curtail that right because people are more important.

To me, a real mark of maturity is to be able to support a decision that negatively impacts you because of the greater good.. Excluding crusty jugglers, of course.

I pay about $2K per year to be able to "freely" exercise my 2A, living in a city, county, and state that believes strongly in a limited exercise thereof. I'm fine with that. However it doesn't seem to do much to stop gun violence.

[Kraken]

Hahaha I haven't seen a new video from that family in a few years...not since the youngest daughter was a toddler. Glad they're still working.

[Isgrimnur]

I believe firmly in the 2nd amendment. And yet I will continue to vote for people who wish to curtail that right because people are more important.

To me, a real mark of maturity is to be able to support a decision that negatively impacts you because of the greater good.. Excluding crusty jugglers, of course.

I pay about $2K per year to be able to "freely" exercise my 2A, living in a city, county, and state that believes strongly in a limited exercise thereof. I'm fine with that. However it doesn't seem to do much to stop gun violence.

That whole freedom of internal movement thing really does have a drawback or two.

[hitbyambulance]

The Couch Potato's past comments about DonOld write the script for the Dems. They should hammer video clips of those every day.

yeah, this really should happen...

i sorta think Vance doesn't actually believe half the stuff he's saying now. guy is shamelessly opportunistic and sheisty.

[Pyperkub]

i sorta think Vance doesn't actually believe half the stuff he's saying now. guy is shamelessly opportunistic and sheisty.

TBH, it doesn't matter if he believes it, what matters is whether he'd do it (esp with Trump not a guarantee to make 4 years). And, if he'll say it, he'll do it.

[Holman]

Vance doubles down on "childless cat ladies" comments: BBC.

"I'm making an argument that our entire society has become sceptical and even hateful towards the idea of having kids," Mr Vance said.

More a slur than an argument, I'd say, since the party of "childless cat ladies" is the one committed to support for children and young parents, while Vance's is the party withdrawing that support. Vance is peddling a slick myth.

The misogyny just drips off his tongue. And the racism too, since Vance and his intellectual heroes (Thiel, Tucker, Bannon, et al) are committed to White Replacement theory, wherein the actual problem is conceived as white birthrates vs nonwhite birthrates.

[Holman]

The rapidly developing media consensus is that Trump made a mistake in choosing Vance: he's a weird extremist who nevertheless can't deliver more than Jeb Bush energy on the stump.

This isn't just the MSM. Even some conservatives (e.g. Ben Shapiro) have suggested that choosing Vance was a huge blunder.

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across? And whom does he pick?

[Isgrimnur]

Vance argued for higher tax rate on childless Americans in 2021 interview

The comments came in a 2021 episode of The Charlie Kirk Show podcast, where Kirk, the CEO of the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, was discussing how Republicans could shift public perception of certain conservative ideas from "unthinkable" to accepted policy.

In response, Vance, who at the time had not yet officially launched his 2022 Senate campaign, suggested that the country needed to "reward the things that we think are good" and "punish the things that we think are bad" -- before suggesting that individuals without children should be taxed at a higher rate than those with children.

"So, you talk about tax policy, let's tax the things that are bad and not tax the things that are good," Vance said in the interview, which is no longer public on Kirk's channel. "If you are making $100,000, $400,000 a year and you've got three kids, you should pay a different, lower tax rate than if you are making the same amount of money and you don't have any kids. It's that simple."

In response to Vance's comments, Vance spokesperson William Martin told ABC News, "The policy Senator Vance proposed is basically no different than the Child Tax Credit, which Democrats unanimously support."

Which, one would think, an aspiring politician should know about.

Notice how no one has been repeatedly called a policy wonk since Paul Ryan took his ball and went home?

[Alefroth]

Will Trump drop Vance before the DNC convention or wait until afterwards?

[Kraken]

Will Trump drop Vance before the DNC convention or wait until afterwards?

If he's going to do it, it will be after the convention. Between now and then Harris is monopolizing free media, and that's unfamiliar territory for trump. He'll wait until he can put the focus back on him. But even though firing people is part of his brand, I don't think he's capable of admitting to a mistake during a campaign. JD Vance just might be his Sarah Palin.

[Alefroth]

I think he can't abide someone doing so much damage to him either, and he obviously won't be the one who made a mistake.

[Jaymann]

Plus Vance help filling the coffers recently abandoned by Musk will Increase the pressure in the other direction. I love it. The cognitive dissonance will be palpable.

[hepcat]

Trump will TURN on Vance (as he does everyone he works with eventually), but I doubt he'll drop him. That would be admitting he was wrong, and he never does that.

[Unagi]

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across?

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

It would be remarkable if this happened.

[geezer]

Interesting profile on Usha Vance in Wapo today:
https://wapo.st/3WFmp9q

It's really disappointing to see someone who obviously hates the guy (Trump) compromise like this.

[geezer]

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across?

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

It would be remarkable if this happened.

He'll just throw Junior under the bus - the story seems to be that Trump was favoring Burgham, then Jr. convinced him to go with the A-Hole MAGA guy instead. If nothing else, I'm guessing Jr. is getting some abuse from daddy right now.

[Alefroth]

Trump doesn't need to admit he made a mistake to drop Vance. Of course it will be everyone else's fault.

[LordMortis]

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across?

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

It would be remarkable if this happened.

It's amazing. The greatest decision. No one else has done if before. My American history expert friend was like "I can't believe no one thought to this before you did." People lose all the time by not firing their the VP candidate. It's like how garbage is only collected one day a week in poor neighborhoods. Have you ever noticed that? What if I have a lot of garbage on a different day? I talked to Ben Carson in HUD. Great guy. He likes me a lot and supports me. I asked him what happens if garbage picks up on Tuesday but I always have a lot of garbage Thursday and Ben said "No one's ever asked me that before."

[Unagi]

[Smoove_B]

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

I don't believe there's any mechanism for him to just be "dropped" or "fired" as the VP candidate; he was officially selected by the party. As we know, the GOP's foundation is law and order so not following electoral procedure is out of the question.

Instead, I suspect Vance will need to step down - he'll claim some type of health or personal emergency which makes him unable to fulfill his duties as the nominee. This allows TFG to save face (he'll never need to admit he made a bad decision) and it can be labeled as a selfless act (like Biden) for the good of the country.

That said, event that might be a stretch and given all the tech-bro power behind Vance being nominated in the first place, they really might continue to resist and hope that GOP ratfuckery with the electoral college + vote certification will carry the day.

[LawBeefaroni]

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across?

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

It would be remarkable if this happened.

He'll just throw Junior under the bus - the story seems to be that Trump was favoring Burgham, then Jr. convinced him to go with the A-Hole MAGA guy instead. If nothing else, I'm guessing Jr. is getting some abuse from daddy right now.

Jr. coked out of his skin "interviewing" his boy:

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 2803371009


I can't even concentrate on the dumb stuff he's saying.

[Victoria Raverna]

So does Trump decide to drop Vance and pick someone else? If so, how does that come across?

Has anyone ever done this? I can't imagine it's ever even remotely happened before. For Trump to do this, he would need to say he made a mistake in judgement and that is just never going to happen. (though, never say never)

It would be remarkable if this happened.

If he decide to do it, he'll just blame someone else.

[LawBeefaroni]

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/18 ... 3556140479

[Holman]

He'll just throw Junior under the bus - the story seems to be that Trump was favoring Burgham, then Jr. convinced him to go with the A-Hole MAGA guy instead. If nothing else, I'm guessing Jr. is getting some abuse from daddy right now.

I believe Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson were also pushing hard for Vance. You know, the guys who want to totally blow up the Republic and replace it with a right-wing fever dream.

[Holman]

Jr. coked out of his skin "interviewing" his boy:

OMG, that sweaty sheen on his face.

Obviously we can't prove drug use just by looking, but...