Best Turn-Based Stategy Game Ever?

Muddyboots · Post by **Muddyboots** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:03 pm

I'm not sure myself. For me, it has to be between:

SMAC
HOMM 2
CIV 2
Warlords 3

Leaning towards Heroes 2...maybe just because of the opera!

yossar · Post by **yossar** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:22 pm

Warlords 3: Darklords Rising
Panzer General
Dominions 2

Not sure which one I'd pick out of those. They're all pretty different.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:38 pm

Master of Orion 1

If sci-fi is'nt your bag then Id pick King's Bounty.

O.DOGG · Post by **O.DOGG** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:57 pm

Heroes of Might & Magic 3

Scanner · Post by **Scanner** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:21 pm

Nobody's gonna mention X-Com? Guess I won't either then.

Jagged Alliance 2

Gromit · Post by **Gromit** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:29 pm

SMAC/SMAX

Kaigen · Post by **Kaigen** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:41 pm

Scanner wrote:Nobody's gonna mention X-Com? Guess I won't either then.

Screw that.

X-Com.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:44 pm

SMAC/X

With HoMM III very close behind.

hog · Post by **hog** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:48 pm

HOMM3
SMAC
Civ2
SE4

Really hard to decide which of those 4 is the best... went with H3.

Elenkis · Post by **Elenkis** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:55 pm

SMAC/X

Ka Faraq Gatri · Post by **Ka Faraq Gatri** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:14 pm

Master of Magic

Turtle · Post by **Turtle** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:03 pm

X-Com

Eduardo X · Post by **Eduardo X** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:23 pm

Jagged Alliance 2.

Thunderspark · Post by **Thunderspark** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:40 pm

Homm3

Rincewind · Post by **Rincewind** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:50 pm

Daehawk wrote:Master of Orion 1

If sci-fi is'nt your bag then Id pick King's Bounty.

Is there any place to get this nowadays? I have my copy of MOO2, which I love, but I haven't played the first in like 10 years.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:00 pm

XCom
MoM
Civ 2
Conquered Kingdoms

Kobra · Post by **Kobra** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:03 pm

Combat Mission Afrika Korps.

nan desu · Post by **nan desu** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:04 pm

X-Com
Master of Orion
Jagged Alliance 2
Civillization 2

So many years have passed, and I still fire these up every now and then. Why oh why can't they remake it right?

I still remember playing Civ2 well into the night, guiding my civ to global dominance, after charting out my research priorities carefully. There's no satisfaction quite like crushing stone-age archers with... umm... I forget... tanks? were there tanks? Gods it's been so long... Civ3 had so much promise (pretty graphics always a plus), until I realized the AI cheats, and I'm not good enough to beat a cheating AI.

So I gave it up because it's a 'principle' thing, not, mind you, cause I can't beat any of those Civ games at Deity level difficulty. No no, it's all about principle.

swissmtndog · Post by **swissmtndog** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:12 pm

Winner: SMAC

Contenders:
Warlords 3: DLR
Imperialism 2
Age of Wonders:Shadow Magic
Panzer General 2

Big Jake · Post by **Big Jake** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:26 pm

In order:

X-COm
Homm2 + Price of Loyalty
Civ 2
Disciples 2
JA2

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:26 pm

Muddyboots wrote:SMAC

The winner in the very first mention in the thread.

But some quality runners-up also get the mention...

yossar wrote:Dominions 2

Daehawk wrote:Master of Orion 1

O.DOGG wrote:Heroes of Might & Magic 3

Scanner wrote:X-Com?

Ka Faraq Gatri wrote:Master of Magic

Stars! would get my PBEM obsessiveness mention. Civ3 (with the Rise & Rule addition) has finally beat out Civ2 in my mind. ToEE gets the nod for best turn-based strategic melee fantasy combat simulator.

~Neal

Koz · Post by **Koz** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:36 am

Civ 2 nudges out SMAC for the win.

Rhett · Post by **Rhett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:41 am

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:08 am

I forgot Warlords 2....I had tons of fun with that one. We used to have 2 multiplayer games going at once on two different computers.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:11 am

Rincewind wrote:
Daehawk wrote:Master of Orion 1

If sci-fi is'nt your bag then Id pick King's Bounty.
Is there any place to get this nowadays? I have my copy of MOO2, which I love, but I haven't played the first in like 10 years.

Im pretty sure about the only place you'll find the original is on eBay. If you do a GOOGLE search for it you'll find many sites where you can just download the game. Its a very small size. If thats against your morals your only real recourse other than eBay or a person in the trade forums is to buy Space Empires 4 GOLD. Its a very close game in terms of play and fun.

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/malfador/SEIVGold/1.htm

Ka Faraq Gatri · Post by **Ka Faraq Gatri** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:20 am

The Meal wrote:Civ3 (with the Rise & Rule addition) has finally beat out Civ2 in my mind.

much as I want to love Civ III I have never ever been able to win a game - I get out-expanded and out-researched by the early 20th century every time!

fortunately I still have Civ II.

nan desu · Post by **nan desu** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:21 am

The Meal wrote:ToEE gets the nod for best turn-based strategic melee fantasy combat simulator.

Is that ToEE for Temple of Elemental Evil? the ToEE that everyone dissed when it was released?

Muddyboots · Post by **Muddyboots** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:43 am

Someone mentioned Imperialism @!! I forget about that great game. No one else prefers Heroes 2 to Heroes 3?

tals · Post by **tals** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:26 am

Having not tried SMAC yet

Shortky to arrive I can't comment on that one.

However

Stars! Absolutely brilliant turn based game (though really on the MP side not as a SP game)

Dominions 2 - Again great action - but for me again a MP pbem game over a SP game. Really impressive level of spells and options available to the gamer.

What both of these have over the vast majority of 'pbem' games is the ability to have a client host as the pbem server. Not a pass the parcel system which can tend to stutter as the turn is passed around.

Tals

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:15 am

nan desu wrote:
The Meal wrote:ToEE gets the nod for best turn-based strategic melee fantasy combat simulator.
Is that ToEE for Temple of Elemental Evil? the ToEE that everyone dissed when it was released?

Not quite everyone dissed it. But the loud-complainer camp was certainly well represented. Note that I'm not praising it as a RPG or even as a game. As a combat simulator, however, its tremendous.

~Neal

Poleaxe · Post by **Poleaxe** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:56 am

SMAC

And I agree that TTOEE was a good turn based combat simulator, however as a game... not so much.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:58 am

Ka Faraq Gatri wrote:
The Meal wrote:Civ3 (with the Rise & Rule addition) has finally beat out Civ2 in my mind.
much as I want to love Civ III I have never ever been able to win a game - I get out-expanded and out-researched by the early 20th century every time!

I agree with Neal: Civ3 + Conquests + Rise & Rule is the state of the art 4x game. Difficulty as a big plus...on Monarch difficulty, I only win about 1/10 of my games. My only real disappointment is that R&R broke the scoreboard. I can forgive the AI its one and only cheat (resource omniscience), although I do wish they hadn't needed it.

Civ2 was great in its day, but it's too easy to take cities with diplomats/spies. Espionage was so unbalancing that they overcompensated and made it irrelevant in Civ3. Civ2 is my number two choice.

SMAC/X gets third place in my book. Excellent writing and backstory with interesting and individual AI opponents, hampered by awful graphics (I can't tell the units apart) and the unbalancing effect of air power.

I'm not sure what Xcom is doing in this thread. I can't really compare it to 4x games.

Except for the Infinity engine RPGs, I don't like fantasy games.

Kobra · Post by **Kobra** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:00 pm

WTF is SMAC? All these anacronyms are pretty confusing.

CMAFK would be Combat Mission Afrika Korps, but i'm not too lazy to type, so just type it all out.

Kaigen · Post by **Kaigen** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:00 pm

The Meal wrote:
nan desu wrote:
The Meal wrote:ToEE gets the nod for best turn-based strategic melee fantasy combat simulator.
Is that ToEE for Temple of Elemental Evil? the ToEE that everyone dissed when it was released?
Not quite everyone dissed it. But the loud-complainer camp was certainly well represented. Note that I'm not praising it as a RPG or even as a game. As a combat simulator, however, its tremendous.

~Neal

Yep. ToEE had the best turn-based combat system of any RPG, ever.

Too bad it failed as a game in virtually every other way.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:04 pm

Kobra wrote:WTF is SMAC? All these anacronyms are pretty confusing.

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

Eightball · Post by **Eightball** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:23 pm

Biased on one type of game so...

Jagged Alliance 2
X-Com

In that order

Though Master of Magic and Master of Orion 1&2 were pretty good

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:34 pm

Kobra wrote:WTF is SMAC?

Seriously? You worked in the strategic-game development industry and you don't know what SMAC is? Oh-kay...

~Neal

Eduardo X · Post by **Eduardo X** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:35 pm

Ironrod wrote:I'm not sure what Xcom is doing in this thread. I can't really compare it to 4x games.

Its a thread about TBS games, not just 4x.
X-Com is extremely good, but JA2 has more personality than X-Com and its sequals.

Kaigen · Post by **Kaigen** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:46 pm

Everyone who hasn't named X-Com as the greatest turn-based strategy game ever is a terrible person and should die.

Soulsbayne · Post by **Soulsbayne** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:54 pm

Master of Magic
X-Com
Imperialism 2
Master of Orion 2

In that order

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