Jack Thompson. The end to PC games and mods?

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Jack Thompson. The end to PC games and mods?

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This guy is realy starting to worry me. He seems to be getting a lot of attention but he seems to be just against the entertainment industry .
Miami attorney Jack Thompson has appeared on more than 50 national television programs and 170 college campuses over the past twelve years in a national effort to hold accountable the entertainment industry for the harm it does to our children.

Recent medical brain scan studies at Harvard, Indiana University, and elsewhere prove that adolescents' brain functions are damaged by a steady diet of violent images. The heads of six major health care organizations, including the American Medical, Pediatric, and Psychiatric Associations have all testified before Congress in June 2000 that violent entertainment contributes to teen violence. Video games are literally "murder simulators" teaching our kids how to kill.
www.stopkill.com

How come he's not going after the US goverment for Amercas Army? That would be classed as a "murder simulators". I bet you will find some troops in Iraq that have played it before they joined up and may be using the training from the game to comit violence. Its even on the goarmy.com web page for any poor child to down load.
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If video games don't teach our children how to kill, then who will?
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If these people ever find out about the alt.binaries newsgroups, they're going to blow a gasket.
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If these people ever find out about the alt.binaries newsgroups, they're going to blow a gasket.
But wouldn't it be funny as hell?
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Post by Ralph-Wiggum »

Video games don't kill people, people kill people.

But guns kill people......
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Smoove_B wrote:If these people ever find out about the alt.binaries newsgroups, they're going to blow a gasket.

What? What, do you mean to say that not all of the evil in the world comes from the mall?
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Freezer-TPF- wrote:If video games don't teach our children how to kill, then who will?
Television, of course.
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Nade wrote:
Freezer-TPF- wrote:If video games don't teach our children how to kill, then who will?
Television, of course.
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So is anyone going to write Jack on that website, and tell him how you can't stop eating mushrooms and jumping on the backs of turtles?

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Manifestations of failed humanity such as this person are why I haven't watched TV in almost 3 years-- Mainly to avoid the media. I don't read newspapers and I certainly don't watch television news. So most of my news comes second hand from places like this(Well, and Fark... :)).

I mention this because I have to ask/comment: This person is invisible to me. I hear talk of him from lots of places, but I still have enough faith to not believe people are taking him seriously. Are they? Or is the media simply humoring him?

That is a more difficult question than it first appears.

Back when I did pay attention to the news, I could often tell when the media and public opinion were just humoring antagonists. I assume this is the case with this thompson character because the things he's 'calling for' are so utterly ridiculous as to be beyond my comprehension-- and prove to me he doesn't know enough about what hes talking about for his opinion to be worthy of consideration.

...The idea of "banning mods" is as... <stupid>(if I am at a loss for adjectives, worry)... as the idea of banning quotations for fear you might alter the meaning of the quote by putting it in a different context... Oh. Wait... :D
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Post by EddieA »

If people were interested in actual discussion and thought rather than sensationalism, we'd be a lot better off. Instead, we get this guy who says things like "EA is cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering.'" and talk shows devoted to discussing whether or not Tinky-Winky is gay.
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Post by Effidian »

Suppose it's real though? This study is very odd. I found it after watching the movie What the Bleep Do We Know? (which I thought was pretty sucky). However, if your thoughts can change people around you in subtle ways then violent media of all kinds may in fact be a cause. (Or rather your thoughts while watching or thinking about it.)

Of course this would turn everything on its head, so...
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Post by EddieA »

"Suppose it's real though?"
That's the problem with people like Jack Thompson. I think there's a real issue here with violence in video games, but as long as we have sensationalism rather than thoughtful discussion, we're never going to deal with it. Violence in entertainment and lack of parental responsibility are serious issues, yet a very hidden sex minigame gets all the publicity.
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I live in fear every day at encountering one of these highly-skilled hooligans in a dark alley armed with their precision tools of violence: a mouse and gamepad. :roll:
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Seems like we're in a bind, here, for two reasons.

First, if someone out there raises a question about the direction of society in a responsible, intelligent way, there is little media coverage, and no one listens. If someone like this Thompson comes along, he gets attention but any possible truth has been hidden under layers of self promotion, simplification, and inflammation.

This has seriously dented discussion of all topics because, whatever you might believe or hope to be true, the only visible opponents are obvious idiots. Whether liberal or conservative, I can sneer at the other side because all the air time goes to their most ridiculous spokesmen.

In the case of Thompson, I sure hope he is wrong, but if he is right, I sure won't know by listening to him. :roll:

Second, the issue itself feels like a lose-lose proposition. It is a given that human behavior results from both nature and nurture, and that nurture includes parents, peers, neighborhoods, and media experiences. And, if you give any thought to it at all, you know that these sources of nurture -- the total environment that a given child grows up -- are not distinct variables, but rather impact each other while impacting the child.

Our culture expects scientific studies based on data in order to believe that we know the truth about something, but that is an extremely unlikely scenerio given the variables here. Let's say that a study does show that kids who grow up spending a given amount of time experiencing a certain kind of media are often convicted of a certain amount of crime. Honestly, I do not believe the conclusions drawn because I do not believe that this comes anywere near proving that the media caused the behavior.

It could just as easily be true that a certain kid of parents (or neighborhood or peers) cause both crime and a liking for this kind of media. Scientific inquiry depends on at least some ability to separate out variables, and every time I look at this kind of science, I see nothing but mush.

Why do I then find this a lose-lose situation? Because, in the absense of real scientific studies, we get a lot of counterfeit (or, to be generous, extremely weak) scientific studies. These make the issue almost impossible to discuss, because every effort at conversation deteriorates into a hopeless pit of recriminations about sources -- and soon the best meaning people just don't even want to think about the issues anymore.

All of this applies to modern eduation issues, to media issues, and to all the other things that don't really lend themselves to "hard" scientific inquiry.

Which all leaves me looking at the many young people I know and trying to figure out, on an individual basis, does the media really seem to do Johnny any harm? But the world dismisses any such discussion as "merely anecdotal" -- which it certainly is.
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From http://www.StopKill.com:
A recent Gallup Poll found that any American teen who has played this one game [GTA:VC] is twice as likely to be engaged in an act of violence than those who have not played this one game.
I'm not exactly sure how these polls work, but how in the world would a poll determine this? I'm actually rather morally opposed to the GTA games (for my own personal reasons), but this is preposterous. On the other hand, I would be inclined to believe that violent games attract violent individuals.
In this game you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her grotesquely to get your money back and win the game faster.
I agree that the prostitution element is despicable, but how in the world does doing what's described above let you "win the game faster"? I don't think I could take a line like this seriously had I no knowledge of GTA.
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If it make you feel any better my teenage son plays Battlefield 2, Thief 3 and GTA, but he has yet to snipe anyone, bludgeon anyone, or murder any prostitutes.
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Jaymann wrote:If it make you feel any better my teenage son plays Battlefield 2, Thief 3 and GTA, but he has yet to snipe anyone, bludgeon anyone, or murder any prostitutes.
That you know of. I mean he did play Thief, maybe there are bodies hidden in your closet or underneath the sink. I'll check if I were you. :wink:
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Hereafter wrote:
Jaymann wrote:If it make you feel any better my teenage son plays Battlefield 2, Thief 3 and GTA, but he has yet to snipe anyone, bludgeon anyone, or murder any prostitutes.
That you know of. I mean he did play Thief, maybe there are bodies hidden in your closet or underneath the sink. I'll check if I were you. :wink:
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From that web site:
If you have kids, have them start shooting hoops instead of humans.
Well, I tried this, but found that the hoops I bought didn't really stand up to shotgun blasts too well.......
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