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Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:56 am
by Grifman
We have a date, March 4, 2024:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/2 ... 0-00113186

PS, thought it was time for a separate thread.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:07 pm
by Grifman
Good thread on today’s hearing:

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/169616 ... NcXCfN8s1g

Trump’s counsel to file claims of immunity from prosecution and selective prosecution.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:25 pm
by Grifman
Is this the most important trial in American history?

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:29 pm
by Zaxxon
It should be noted that while neither Trump nor the government got the trial date they were originally requesting, the judgment is, ehh, much closer to the government's ask.

Another good thread from this morning.


Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:48 pm
by malchior
This was necessary but it may or not get crazy. We shall see. As expected he won't hesitate to whip up another insurrection to protect himself. We'll just see if people show up to do it.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:32 pm
by Alefroth
Grifman wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:56 am We have a date, March 24, 2024:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/2 ... 0-00113186

PS, thought it was time for a separate thread.
March 4th. March 24th is the financial records falsification trial. Which will more than likely be affected by the federal trial.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:35 pm
by Alefroth
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:48 pm This was necessary but it may or not get crazy. We shall see. As expected he won't hesitate to whip up another insurrection to protect himself. We'll just see if people show up to do it.
It seems like the punishments being meted out have had a chilling effect on further violence.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:36 pm
by stimpy
Alefroth wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:35 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:48 pm This was necessary but it may or not get crazy. We shall see. As expected he won't hesitate to whip up another insurrection to protect himself. We'll just see if people show up to do it.
It seems like the punishments being meted out have had a chilling effect on further violence.
What a concept.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:45 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Alefroth wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:35 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:48 pm This was necessary but it may or not get crazy. We shall see. As expected he won't hesitate to whip up another insurrection to protect himself. We'll just see if people show up to do it.
It seems like the punishments being meted out have had a chilling effect on further violence.
So far. This thing is JUST beginning.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:38 pm
by malchior
Also keep in mind they are being LOUD about security at these events. They are discouraging violence by highlighting their preparation. Does anyone think 1/6 happens the same way if they had prepared properly?

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:16 pm
by Alefroth
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:38 pm Also keep in mind they are being LOUD about security at these events. They are discouraging violence by highlighting their preparation. Does anyone think 1/6 happens the same way if they had prepared properly?
Or even responded appropriately.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:52 pm
by LordMortis
Alefroth wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:16 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:38 pm Also keep in mind they are being LOUD about security at these events. They are discouraging violence by highlighting their preparation. Does anyone think 1/6 happens the same way if they had prepared properly?
Or even responded appropriately.
ding!

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:25 pm
by Blackhawk
Alefroth wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:16 pm
malchior wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:38 pm Also keep in mind they are being LOUD about security at these events. They are discouraging violence by highlighting their preparation. Does anyone think 1/6 happens the same way if they had prepared properly?
Or even responded appropriately.
Mildly tweaked.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:59 pm
by Grifman
Alefroth wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:32 pm
Grifman wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:56 am We have a date, March 24, 2024:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/2 ... 0-00113186

PS, thought it was time for a separate thread.
March 4th. March 24th is the financial records falsification trial. Which will more than likely be affected by the federal trial.
Fixed! Thanks!

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pm
by Grifman
Meadows basically convicted himself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... y-georgia/

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:46 am
by Grifman
Great reporting on the Neadows hearing:

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/ma ... -the-stand

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:19 am
by Zaxxon
Grifman wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:46 am Great reporting on the Neadows hearing:

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/ma ... -the-stand
Helpful. Thanks.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:50 am
by Carpet_pissr
Grifman wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pm Meadows basically convicted himself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... y-georgia/
I don't get this very typical, and pretty consistent behavior from the higher up MAGAts...these guys are NOT stupid. They are obviously corrupt, and don't bat an eye at doing "whatever it takes" whether that breaks norms, boundaries or laws, probably because like Trump, they can't even conceive of getting caught. Or the "payout" is too big compared to the risk of being caught. They KNOW they are doing wrong.

So WTF is up with this absurdity:

"Meadows said, “There is a role for the chief of staff to make sure those campaign goals and objectives are implemented at the federal level.” :think: :?:
As the author says:
"That’s balderdash; the Hatch Act prohibits such activity."

WTF was he thinking here? Is this 4D chess where he doubles down on pretending not to know what he did was wrong, by directly stating a lie that's easily debunked by the law?

I'm flummoxed, and maybe that's also one of his goals if whatever other legal spaghetti he throws at the wall doesn't stick.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:37 am
by Zarathud
The MAGA view is that the ends justify the means. Deny you’re doing wrong, and accuse the other side of doing it when you get caught. They don’t care about bold lies, or consistency, so long as it works enough to get a paycheck.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:58 am
by Grifman
On a related note, a default judgement in favor of the plaintiffs was entered in the Gulisni defamation case of two Atlanta election film workers, for both actual and punitive damages. What was done to them because of Gulisni’s and Trump’s lies was unconscionable. They both had to quit their jobs, move for safety reasons, and one lady lost her side business. He deserves every bit of this pain.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:00 pm
by Carpet_pissr
Grifman wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:58 am They both had to quit them jobs
The Southern comes out!

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:51 pm
by Grifman
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:00 pm
Grifman wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:58 am They both had to quit them jobs
The Southern comes out!
Spellchecker is southern! :)

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:25 pm
by Blackhawk
It's also grammatically incorrect. It should be them's, or preferably, they's.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:57 pm
by Grifman

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:52 pm
by Grifman
Kemp opposes call for removal of Fulton County prosecutor:

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/gov-k ... l-theater/

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:58 pm
by El Guapo
Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:50 am
Grifman wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:24 pm Meadows basically convicted himself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... y-georgia/
I don't get this very typical, and pretty consistent behavior from the higher up MAGAts...these guys are NOT stupid. They are obviously corrupt, and don't bat an eye at doing "whatever it takes" whether that breaks norms, boundaries or laws, probably because like Trump, they can't even conceive of getting caught. Or the "payout" is too big compared to the risk of being caught. They KNOW they are doing wrong.

So WTF is up with this absurdity:

"Meadows said, “There is a role for the chief of staff to make sure those campaign goals and objectives are implemented at the federal level.” :think: :?:
As the author says:
"That’s balderdash; the Hatch Act prohibits such activity."

WTF was he thinking here? Is this 4D chess where he doubles down on pretending not to know what he did was wrong, by directly stating a lie that's easily debunked by the law?

I'm flummoxed, and maybe that's also one of his goals if whatever other legal spaghetti he throws at the wall doesn't stick.
I'm a little confused, because my takeaway is that he (and a lot of other higher up MAGA types) *are* stupid. Or maybe more accurately, are way less smart than they think they are.

Re: Trump Federal Election Subversion Trial

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:04 pm
by Blackhawk
Can't we start fixing the X links? It's one word.