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coopasonic wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:53 am Yeah don't forget the fact I have NEVER waited fueling my BEV up. Literally zero time waiting. Balance that against the odd get out and walk around during a road trip and it shouldn't seem that bad. My wife has to make sure she leaves time to get gas before some event. How about you take my car honey?

Bonus, I have very close to never touched a fueling device handle that someone else has used in the process of fueling my BEV.

Formix wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:28 am

coopasonic wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:53 am Yeah don't forget the fact I have NEVER waited fueling my BEV up. Literally zero time waiting. Balance that against the odd get out and walk around during a road trip and it shouldn't seem that bad. My wife has to make sure she leaves time to get gas before some event. How about you take my car honey?

Bonus, I have very close to never touched a fueling device handle that someone else has used in the process of fueling my BEV.

THIS. I've traveled extensively in my Ioniq 6 and never had a problem. In fact, on a recent return trip from PA to NC, I had more charging options than I needed, looking at Electrify America charging stations alone. Most of them were located at Sheetz, so it's convenient to plug in, hit the bathroom, grab a drink, come back out, and you're good to go. Others are at Walmarts, so a little less convenient since they're typically further away in the parking lot, but when you're on a long trip, a little stretching of the legs is not a bad thing.

I think a lot of these charging time numbers are derived by charging to 100%, which adds to the time, and is not the recommended thing to do. I almost always charge to 80% and I'm on my way in minutes.

Montag wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:00 am Look if you guys can celebrate how easy it is to plan your trips to not waste time at charging stations, then I would hope you would have had the ability to plan your day to day activities to get gas efficiently at a cost of no more than 5 minutes. I can find 5 minutes out of every two weeks just fine.

I am not poo pooing on EVs, let's just keep things balanced.

My medium turn plans may be taking over my in laws house and throwing up solar for a future EV for myself.

stessier wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:39 am

Montag wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:00 am Look if you guys can celebrate how easy it is to plan your trips to not waste time at charging stations, then I would hope you would have had the ability to plan your day to day activities to get gas efficiently at a cost of no more than 5 minutes. I can find 5 minutes out of every two weeks just fine.

I am not poo pooing on EVs, let's just keep things balanced.

My medium turn plans may be taking over my in laws house and throwing up solar for a future EV for myself.

If you only need to fill up every two weeks, an EV is definitely for you!

em2nought wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:57 am There's been some covert footage released of Tesla's affordable $26,000 model.

GreenGoo wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:09 pm Any. Last time I looked Tesla was about 10k base more expensive, then upgrades.

Zaxxon wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:12 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:09 pm Any. Last time I looked Tesla was about 10k base more expensive, then upgrades.

Interesting. That is... not the case in the US in general.

Zaxxon wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:21 pm No, I think you're just operating on some outdated info. Back in mid-2022, Tesla's prices were considerably higher than they are now.

stessier wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:35 pm

Zaxxon wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:21 pm No, I think you're just operating on some outdated info. Back in mid-2022, Tesla's prices were considerably higher than they are now.

Which is why competition is good.

GreenGoo wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:34 am Asked google what makes Teslas better than other EVs.

Range. Ok, fair.

The lawsuit alleges Tesla violated state consumer fraud statutes when it falsely advertised the range of its electric vehicles. Lawyers representing the owners said that Tesla “grossly overvalued” the range — which is the estimated distance a vehicle can travel on a single battery charge — when selling the vehicles to consumers.

Last week, Reuters reported that Tesla had inflated its range estimates, prompting owners to flood its service center over concerns that their vehicles needed service. The investigation, citing anonymous sources and industry experts, found that the directive to use algorithms to give rosier range numbers came from CEO Elon Musk.

As sales exploded, service requests also grew. To thwart the influx of requests and help keep costs in check, Tesla created a special “diversion team” dedicated to handle so-called “range cases” — meaning owners complaining of lower ranges than expected, according to the Reuters report. Diversion team members were trained to tell owners that the EPA-approved range estimates were just a prediction. They would also provide tips to customers on how to extend range. The team’s goal was to cancel as many of those appointments as possible, saving Tesla as much as $1,000 a visit, the Reuters investigation found.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:00 pm Does anyone know if it's true that the very much touted EV tax credits are not so easy to come by? I recently saw something on Slickdeals talking about the re-introduced $7500 tax credit for Tesla, but in order to actually get that amount, would you have to have $7,500 in tax liability?

If you always get a refund, would this program yield any savings at all? I just seem to remember something like that as I did research a few years ago, not sure if it still applies.

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:00 pm Does anyone know if it's true that the very much touted EV tax credits are not so easy to come by? I recently saw something on Slickdeals talking about the re-introduced $7500 tax credit for Tesla, but in order to actually get that amount, would you have to have $7,500 in tax liability?

If you always get a refund, would this program yield any savings at all? I just seem to remember something like that as I did research a few years ago, not sure if it still applies.

My brain is thinking:
If you have a $2500 tax liability in the year that you buy an EV, even though you qualify for a tax credit UP TO $7,500, because you "only" owe $2,500, that's what you get. Maybe they rollover though, so you can get the remainder the following year(s)?

Edit: I see this is a BEV thread only?! Is there also a PHEV and HEV thread?

Zaxxon wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:08 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:00 pm Does anyone know if it's true that the very much touted EV tax credits are not so easy to come by? I recently saw something on Slickdeals talking about the re-introduced $7500 tax credit for Tesla, but in order to actually get that amount, would you have to have $7,500 in tax liability?

If you always get a refund, would this program yield any savings at all? I just seem to remember something like that as I did research a few years ago, not sure if it still applies.

Yes, you have to have $7,500 in tax liability. But this is entirely separate from whether you get a refund (ie, whether you overpaid your liability over the course of the year). You just need to have had $7,500 in liability in order to receive the full credit.

stessier wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:10 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:00 pm Does anyone know if it's true that the very much touted EV tax credits are not so easy to come by? I recently saw something on Slickdeals talking about the re-introduced $7500 tax credit for Tesla, but in order to actually get that amount, would you have to have $7,500 in tax liability?

If you always get a refund, would this program yield any savings at all? I just seem to remember something like that as I did research a few years ago, not sure if it still applies.

My brain is thinking:
If you have a $2500 tax liability in the year that you buy an EV, even though you qualify for a tax credit UP TO $7,500, because you "only" owe $2,500, that's what you get. Maybe they rollover though, so you can get the remainder the following year(s)?

Edit: I see this is a BEV thread only?! Is there also a PHEV and HEV thread?

I think you might be conflating a refund and tax liability (but maybe not).

Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:11 pm Back on board the EV train!

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:18 am I don't think people understand what it means to have the ability to wake up to the equivalent of a full tank of gas every morning.

Hrothgar wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:49 am As a counter point, a teacher who is friends with my wife called her the other day asking for a ride because she forgot to charge her Tesla. This lady is an intelligent woman, but changing habits is hard. We all may love technology. We're not necessarily a representative group.

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:51 am

Hrothgar wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:49 am As a counter point, a teacher who is friends with my wife called her the other day asking for a ride because she forgot to charge her Tesla. This lady is an intelligent woman, but changing habits is hard. We all may love technology. We're not necessarily a representative group.

There are also people who run out of gas which has always confounded me as well. I just don't get how you don't glance at your car's state when you stop the car.

Hrothgar wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:49 am As a counter point, a teacher who is friends with my wife called her the other day asking for a ride because she forgot to charge her Tesla. This lady is an intelligent woman, but changing habits is hard. We all may love technology. We're not necessarily a representative group.

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:59 am

stessier wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:51 am

Hrothgar wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:49 am As a counter point, a teacher who is friends with my wife called her the other day asking for a ride because she forgot to charge her Tesla. This lady is an intelligent woman, but changing habits is hard. We all may love technology. We're not necessarily a representative group.

There are also people who run out of gas which has always confounded me as well. I just don't get how you don't glance at your car's state when you stop the car.

Especially in a car that will literally send you a warning if you park with a low state of charge.

That said, fully agreed that OOers are not necessarily representative of the public.

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

Hrothgar wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:49 am As a counter point, a teacher who is friends with my wife called her the other day asking for a ride because she forgot to charge her Tesla. This lady is an intelligent woman, but changing habits is hard. We all may love technology. We're not necessarily a representative group.

out of gas discussion based on high gas prices wrote: To get a better picture of what's really happening here, I reached out to the roadside service provider. According to AAA Public Relations Manager Andrew Gross, the organization responded to precisely 194,317 out-of-gas calls from January to April (representing 1.8 percent of all roadside assistance calls during that period). Within the same four months in 2021, AAA received 153,668 out-of-gas calls. A 26 percent year-over-year jump and surely a result of the recent skyrocket in fuel prices, right?

A reasonable conclusion if not for the fact that AAA responded to 205,549 out-of-gas calls over the same four months in 2019—pre-Ukraine war, pre-inflation, pre-COVID, pre-$5-a-gallon gas.

stessier wrote:I think people who haven't lived with an EV make entirely too big a deal of routine charging. Assuming you install a charger at your home, it's brain dead simple. Most people in most cases will be able to get by with charging 2x/week. So make it a routine to charge daily and if you forget - no biggie, you still have 2 more days of range at a minimum. I don't think people understand what it means to have the ability to wake up to the equivalent of a full tank of gas every morning.

Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:42 am Yeah, but one of these things is not like the other. 'Check engine' and oil changes are things that typically can be put off with little to no immediate ill effect. If you ain't got the electrons or the dino juice, that's immediately a problem.