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"The articles cite her gross incompetence in dealing with the crisis at the southern border and her betrayal of the American people," the website said.

Ogles also released a statement regarding his decision to introduce the articles. The statement claims that "countless women and children have been raped and murdered" because she "willfully disregarded" her responsibilities as Vice President.

Victoria Raverna wrote:A lot of new youtube videos seemed to say that Vance turned out to be a bad choice for Trump. Are they correct or they were just propaganda from Democrat side?

waitingtoconnect wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:41 am The other aspect is with trumps age jd Vance is a real chance at having to assume the presidency.

So voters will really look at him because trumps age is an issue as much as Bidens for voters.

With Harris it’s much less likely her VP will have to take over permanently.

As for replacing Jd all of maga are just cut from the same cloth at this point. Mtg, Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham, Kari Lake… Lauren Boebert… desantis, Haley….

I suppose he could go for Chris Christie - now that would be good for the laughs.

waitingtoconnect wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:41 am The other aspect is with trumps age jd Vance is a real chance at having to assume the presidency.

waitingtoconnect wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:41 am So voters will really look at him because trumps age is an issue as much as Bidens for voters.

Unagi wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:08 am

waitingtoconnect wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:41 am So voters will really look at him because trumps age is an issue as much as Bidens for voters.

Are you being serious here? Cause, if you are, you are totally kidding yourself.

Anyone considering Trump is not measuring things like that at all.

hepcat wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 am Does Pence have any real power within the GOP these days? I feel like Trump completely destroyed that man's political career. Mind you, I'm not crying over that. Pence is a homophobic ass. But you have to wonder about the people who enthusiastically run into any relationship with the Mangerine given his track record of turning on everyone who works for/with him at some point.

YellowKing wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:37 am

Victoria Raverna wrote:A lot of new youtube videos seemed to say that Vance turned out to be a bad choice for Trump. Are they correct or they were just propaganda from Democrat side?

It's not propaganda. There is heavy consensus from just about everyone outside the MAGA-sphere (and probably many inside it) that this was a bad choice.

A VP should shore up the candidate's weaknesses and/or help them pull in voters from a state they're weak in. Vance does none of those things. He only appeals to Trump's base, which was already voting for him.

Even worse, Vance is heavily disliked by a lot of the rural voters he was supposed to appeal to. He's seen as a fake and a fraud. I believe I saw an article where according to polls he was the first VP candidate since 2000 that had a negative favorability rating when announced. Couple that with his lifeless campaign speeches, and it's a disaster.

As has been pointed out before, Vance was picked because Trump, with his endless ego, felt 100% sure he was going to win and wanted a loyal lapdog by his side. Somebody that would not pull a Pence and allow a free and fair election to go uncontested.

As far as being "too late" to switch VPs, no, not technically. Though I imagine if Trump did want Vance out, he wouldn't boot him. Instead, Vance would make up some BS story about having to step aside for personal reasons "leaving no choice" but for Trump to choose a new VP. However, I think the optics would look really bad. Trump would look like he was terrified of Harris and that his campaign didn't know what it was doing. I'd think it would be highly unlikely Trump would admit to choosing poorly.

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:09 am Reading buzz about Buttigieg as a possible VP pick. Which I'm a bit torn about - I really like him quite a bit, as every clip I see of him he comes across as pretty smart, sensible, competent, and funny, but at the same time I worry about voter response to a young gay man vs. a bland straight VP choice.

Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:19 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:09 am Reading buzz about Buttigieg as a possible VP pick. Which I'm a bit torn about - I really like him quite a bit, as every clip I see of him he comes across as pretty smart, sensible, competent, and funny, but at the same time I worry about voter response to a young gay man vs. a bland straight VP choice.

He's one of the only people in the Democratic party under 60 that I really like these days. Would love to see him as a VP pick, but I think it will be Shapiro (probably the best choice) or Kelly. A youngish white dude will probably help reassure those who still aren't happy about Biden dropping out and aren't comfortable with Harris yet, but being gay might make the ticket too exotic for some.

Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:11 am And I admit the rush to choose her without seriously considering anyone else makes me more than a little nervous.

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:23 am

Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:19 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:09 am Reading buzz about Buttigieg as a possible VP pick. Which I'm a bit torn about - I really like him quite a bit, as every clip I see of him he comes across as pretty smart, sensible, competent, and funny, but at the same time I worry about voter response to a young gay man vs. a bland straight VP choice.

He's one of the only people in the Democratic party under 60 that I really like these days. Would love to see him as a VP pick, but I think it will be Shapiro (probably the best choice) or Kelly. A youngish white dude will probably help reassure those who still aren't happy about Biden dropping out and aren't comfortable with Harris yet, but being gay might make the ticket too exotic for some.

One possible upside to Buttigieg is that he seems perfectly suited to our media environment. Like he's really good at generating concise biting clips that are also funny, and so perfect for going viral.

Unagi wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:24 am

Apollo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:11 am And I admit the rush to choose her without seriously considering anyone else makes me more than a little nervous.

To be clear, she was on a 2020 ticket as the VP to the oldest nominated presidential candidate at the time. She was vetted and selected by America once already.

The rush to 'choose' her wasn't really a thing. She was presented as Biden's running mate and his obvious go-to choice (She is his VP, right? That implies he picked her to take over), and then the Dems supported her publicly and the Democratic party seems to 'have the votes'. She was the only serious option, IMO.

I don't mean to brush off your comment though. Let's "seriously consider" someone else: Gavin Newson... He doesn't want to run against Trump. I'm not sure who else may have gotten enough quick support, and 'quick support' was/is important in this context, I believe.

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:19 pm The way this has broken has been pretty much a best case scenario for the Ds and the worst case scenario for the pundit class (i.e., Bret Stephens and his ilk). As a lot of folks have been saying all along, if Biden were to drop out the party needed to quickly unify around a successor candidate and the most obvious choice was the sitting second-in-command. The hope from many (including myself) was that party unity would then lead to the voters falling in line and agreeing to go with Harris.

Instead, there was an almost immediate, massive groundswell of organic, small donor support for Harris after Biden's announcement. The D voters are the ones leading this call for Harris to be the candidate, followed by the delegates and the pols falling in line. Without the time for a true do-over on the primary, this is a great substitute for a demonstration of true popular support for Harris as a candidate.

Of course, that means less fodder for the pundits to try to tear down a bunch of candidates and say why none of them will be able to beat Trump, so you get garbage like columns saying the Ds are moving too quickly and should have a mini-primary so they have something to write about that will get clicks.

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:11 pm Biden's giving an address at 8 pm. I'll definitely be tuning in for that.

hepcat wrote:Although if she wins, I'm fairly certain MAGAts are going to make Jan. 6th look like a street festival.

YellowKing wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:35 pm

hepcat wrote:Although if she wins, I'm fairly certain MAGAts are going to make Jan. 6th look like a street festival.

I'm not too worried about a Jan. 6th event, because Biden's in the White House and he'll have security ramped up to unprecedented levels. Jan. 6th was only able to happen because Trump allowed it to happen.

Now, could there be random violent acts throughout the country? Absolutely. Nutjobs gonna nutjob. But I imagine security across all levels of law enforcement is going to be on high alert.

hepcat wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:48 pm

Although if she wins, I'm fairly certain MAGAts are going to make Jan. 6th look like a street festival. There's no way they'll believe a woman...a BLACK woman...beat Trump. The amount of voter fraud conspiracy theories will be through the roof.

hepcat wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 12:48 pm

Although if she wins, I'm fairly certain MAGAts are going to make Jan. 6th look like a street festival. There's no way they'll believe a woman...a BLACK woman...beat Trump. The amount of voter fraud conspiracy theories will be through the roof.