Although if she wins, I'm fairly certain MAGAts are going to make Jan. 6th look like a street festival. There's no way they'll believe a woman...a BLACK woman...beat Trump. The amount of voter fraud conspiracy theories will be through the roof.
Also I have to believe there will be public fatigue with voter fraud nonsense. And the Gaetz of the world will claim it no matter what.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:11 pm
by Alefroth
YellowKing wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:37 am
Even worse, Vance is heavily disliked by a lot of the rural voters he was supposed to appeal to.
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:11 pm
Biden's giving an address at 8 pm. I'll definitely be tuning in for that.
+1. Hope he goes out on the high note he deserves.
There's a bit of a tight rope to walk as Biden needs to explain:
(1) Why he's dropping out now, and not six months or more ago;
(2) Why he's still able to serve as president for the next six months;
(3) If there's some health issue of note, when he knew about it.
That said, real opportunity to generate some goodwill and positive sentiment among voters.
El Guapo wrote:There's a bit of a tight rope to walk as Biden needs to explain:
Why does he need to explain?
We already know why he dropped out, and it wasn't for health reasons. Even if he uses that as an excuse.
For one, he needs to explain how Dark Oxygen was conveniently "discovered" as soon as Dark Brandon was out of the race. Seems a bit too convenient, no?
El Guapo wrote:There's a bit of a tight rope to walk as Biden needs to explain:
Why does he need to explain?
We already know why he dropped out, and it wasn't for health reasons. Even if he uses that as an excuse.
I tend to agree here. “I thought I could, but age caught up to me quicker than I expected and I don’t think I have it in me for a second term” is a perfectly acceptable answer.
El Guapo wrote:There's a bit of a tight rope to walk as Biden needs to explain:
Why does he need to explain?
We already know why he dropped out, and it wasn't for health reasons. Even if he uses that as an excuse.
I tend to agree here. “I thought I could, but age caught up to me quicker than I expected and I don’t think I have it in me for a second term” is a perfectly acceptable answer.
Hopefully Biden’s speechwriter wrote:As the great Roger Murtaugh once said, "I am too old for this shit."
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:17 pm
by LordMortis
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:42 pm
I'm more worried about state actors in swing states mucking around in the election results.
El Guapo wrote:There's a bit of a tight rope to walk as Biden needs to explain:
Why does he need to explain?
We already know why he dropped out, and it wasn't for health reasons. Even if he uses that as an excuse.
I tend to agree here. “I thought I could, but age caught up to me quicker than I expected and I don’t think I have it in me for a second term” is a perfectly acceptable answer.
My main takeaway from that speech is that Biden thinks that he is 100% still capable of serving a second term, and is only leaving because he was forced to by Democratic leaders. Really the only reason he cited in his remarks for why he wasn't running anymore is because he needed to "unite his party" along with a vague reference to it being a time for younger leaders. Nothing about any health or cognitive issues.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:17 pm
by Smoove_B
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 pm
My main takeaway from that speech is that Biden thinks that he is 100% still capable of serving a second term, and is only leaving because he was forced to by Democratic leaders. Really the only reason he cited in his remarks for why he wasn't running anymore is because he needed to "unite his party" along with a vague reference to it being a time for younger leaders. Nothing about any health or cognitive issues.
Probably because if he said he wasn't well enough or able to run, the clown car brigade would be marching back into Congress tomorrow to file something under the 25th Amendment, claiming Mike Johnson is now the President, because reasons.
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 pm
My main takeaway from that speech is that Biden thinks that he is 100% still capable of serving a second term, and is only leaving because he was forced to by Democratic leaders. Really the only reason he cited in his remarks for why he wasn't running anymore is because he needed to "unite his party" along with a vague reference to it being a time for younger leaders. Nothing about any health or cognitive issues.
Probably because if he said he wasn't well enough or able to run, the clown car brigade would be marching back into Congress tomorrow to file something under the 25th Amendment, claiming Mike Johnson is now the President, because reasons.
True as well, and the speech also may help Harris avoid endless "what did you know about Biden's declining health when?" type questions. But just in the context of all the reporting on the past few weeks, this really fits the reporting that Biden thinks he's up for it and merits a second term.
Not knocking him or the speech, just that was the main vibe I got from the speech.
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 pm
My main takeaway from that speech is that Biden thinks that he is 100% still capable of serving a second term, and is only leaving because he was forced to by Democratic leaders. Really the only reason he cited in his remarks for why he wasn't running anymore is because he needed to "unite his party" along with a vague reference to it being a time for younger leaders. Nothing about any health or cognitive issues.
Probably because if he said he wasn't well enough or able to run, the clown car brigade would be marching back into Congress tomorrow to file something under the 25th Amendment, claiming Mike Johnson is now the President, because reasons.
True as well, and the speech also may help Harris avoid endless "what did you know about Biden's declining health when?" type questions. But just in the context of all the reporting on the past few weeks, this really fits the reporting that Biden thinks he's up for it and merits a second term.
Not knocking him or the speech, just that was the main vibe I got from the speech.
At the risk of sounding naive, I think he thought long and hard about what's really best for the country and his party, and reluctantly saw that it's no longer him. Bowing out is the best way he could end a life of public service.
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 pm
My main takeaway from that speech is that Biden thinks that he is 100% still capable of serving a second term, and is only leaving because he was forced to by Democratic leaders. Really the only reason he cited in his remarks for why he wasn't running anymore is because he needed to "unite his party" along with a vague reference to it being a time for younger leaders. Nothing about any health or cognitive issues.
Probably because if he said he wasn't well enough or able to run, the clown car brigade would be marching back into Congress tomorrow to file something under the 25th Amendment, claiming Mike Johnson is now the President, because reasons.
Biden is a smart operator. He knows with him the race it’s a referendum on his age and nothing more.
If Biden resigns they go to the Supreme Court with John Eastmans theory on the 14th amendment that Harris is a naturalised v natural born American. They obviously win and Johnson becomes president and then a trump victory in November will be inevitable. Right now there are likely saving this to closer to the election but they will try to do it imho.
In trumps speech in nj he said “She’ll destroy our country if she’s elected. So we won’t let her be elected.” Not we will beat her at the ballot box.
If biden stays as president it’s harder because it’s clearly in the constitutions 25th amendment that’s it’s the VP and the cabinet and thenr 2/3 of the house and senate to initiate it and they will never get it. It’s hard to see the Supreme Court getting a lever to force our Biden and Harris on that score. There is absolutely no ambiguity for the maga to exploit.
But they are going to throw everything they can up to the Supreme Court and state courts to stop her. And we know crazy legal theories aren’t a guaranteed fail anymore.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:02 pm
by Alefroth
I'd really like to see MN Gov Tim Walz in the mix for VP too.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:41 pm
by GreenGoo
I hope Biden gets a monument at some point. No matter what a clown he can be and has been over the decades, he's an honest man doing what he thinks is right for everyone.
He was an excellent VP to Obama as well.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:01 pm
by em2nought
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 2:50 pm
Also I have to believe there will be public fatigue with voter fraud nonsense.
After passing Joe Biden off as competent ever since he left the bunker it was finally acknowledged that he isn't after the debate. Since then I think I've noticed an uptick in people wondering if so many sources promoted that lie for so long what else might be a lie.
Whatever beauty routine VP Kamala Harris is using has her face looking nice and smooth, but then you look at her neck. She should go with turtlenecks. She needs a tongue scraper too.
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 2:50 pm
Also I have to believe there will be public fatigue with voter fraud nonsense.
Whatever beauty routine VP Kamala Harris is using has her face looking nice and smooth, but then you look at her neck. She should go with turtlenecks. She needs a tongue scraper too.
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 2:50 pm
Also I have to believe there will be public fatigue with voter fraud nonsense.
Whatever beauty routine VP Kamala Harris is using has her face looking nice and smooth, but then you look at her neck. She should go with turtlenecks. She needs a tongue scraper too.
That’s low dude seriously low.
At some point just by shear number of attempts at least one of Em2s "jokes" will be funny. But so far it's yet to happen. The only funny thing to come out of them are Hepcat's inevitable response.
And I take personal issue with the Scraper comment.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:27 pm
by em2nought
I don't think either of those is a low blow, seems like good advice to me. Looks like she drinks lots of coffee. I know my tongue looks so much better after I scrape it. I wish my face looked as young as hers, even though mine is kind of fluffy which keeps the wrinkles down the shadows around my eyes look terrible and there are wrinkles there.
Obviously, I'm kind of outnumbered here so I need to make up for those that have been driven away or silenced.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:10 pm
by Isgrimnur
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:40 pm
by hepcat
em2nought wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:27 pm
Obviously, I'm kind of outnumbered here so I need to make up for those that have been driven away or silenced.
The only ones that left were the ones who could dish it out but couldn’t take it. No one banned anyone.
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 2:50 pm
Also I have to believe there will be public fatigue with voter fraud nonsense.
After passing Joe Biden off as competent ever since he left the bunker it was finally acknowledged that he isn't after the debate. Since then I think I've noticed an uptick in people wondering if so many sources promoted that lie for so long what else might be a lie. .
Covfefe!
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:33 pm
by Skinypupy
Unsurprisingly, Trump has backed out of the September debate.
em2nought wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:27 pm
Obviously, I'm kind of outnumbered here so I need to make up for those that have been driven away or silenced.
The only ones that left were the ones who could dish it out but couldn’t take it. No one banned anyone.
I didn't say anyone was banned. I meant people just left, or they stopped involving themselves in R&P.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:54 am
by hepcat
Yes, because most of them wanted to troll instead of actually attempting to have an honest discourse. Then got upset when people responded in kind. Like you're doing by trying to say they were "driven out".
OO is predominantly liberal and/or democrat, yes. What would you have us do? Create a questionnaire that determines political leanings and then base membership off that? I thought you folks were firmly against any kind of affirmative action?
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:16 am
by LordMortis
hepcat wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:54 am
OO is predominantly liberal and/or democrat, yes. What would you have us do?
em2nought wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:27 pm
Obviously, I'm kind of outnumbered here so I need to make up for those that have been driven away or silenced.
The only ones that left were the ones who could dish it out but couldn’t take it. No one banned anyone.
I didn't say anyone was banned. I meant people just left, or they stopped involving themselves in R&P.
I find it funny that the same people that call for certain Republicans death get upset when there is a negative post about Dems.
The reason I pulled back from posting here is no matter what I post, whether sincere, joking or an opposite view, there are certain members who jump right in and start shit. Then when I defend myself, which I think is what most peoples gut reaction would be, I'm the one who is labeled a troll. The times I've been given the chance to engage in honest discourse, I have. But those are far and few between. Usually the initial responses are shit posts, so I check out.
Whatevs.
For as much as they like to think they're open minded, their consistent actions show otherwise.
Those people are not worth my time anymore.
So to my fellow members who may take an opposing view, thoughts and prayers.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:21 am
by Carpet_pissr
I have thoughts on this.
1. I don't get the tongue scraper comment...can you smell her breath? Because AFAIK and IANAD but tongue scrapers help with bad breath. ??
2. I REALLY wish we had more non-libs participating here, as it is very much an echo chamber at this point, and I hate that.
3. There are members (I honestly don't remember who) that unfairly engaged with opposing view posters in the past, and I hated to see that. I get it though.
4. There have also been quite a few non-lib posters that used to come here, drop a grenade, then leave, not really wanting to engage in honest discussion. That pisses me off (and probably not just me, and probably leads to 3. above)
5. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE it if someone came here and engaged in honest discussion from a MAGA perspective (but in my experience, the MAGA perspective is based on lies, so what are we to do? I know team MAGA thinks the same of team lib, so....impasse). Hell, I would love it if we even had some never Trumper conservatives come here and discourse regularly.
I, Carpet_pissr, formally pledge to defend any HONEST opposition posts in here going forward, in the spirit of true discourse in the classical sense. I just ask that you (pl) leave the passive/aggressive, end every post with a smiley when you just threw daggers, posting style for other message boards.
I've played devil's advocate here a few times, trying to legitimately create some non-lib perspectives and discussion, but since I am a proud, flaming liberal myself, it usually falls flat.
If you are Tea Party/MAGA, please speak up and show us that you are not the snowflakes that you so loudly and apparently despise.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:24 am
by YellowKing
em2nought wrote:Since then I think I've noticed an uptick in people wondering if so many sources promoted that lie for so long what else might be a lie.
Serious question - why do you care about honesty when you support a candidate who claims babies are being executed after they're born (false). Or claimed that 20 million immigrants entered the country last year (false, not even close). Or that immigration has caused a surge in crime (false, crime rates have declined). Or dozens of other claims that can be easily fact-checked and debunked?
Do you actually believe Trump is telling the truth, and the entire rest of the world is lying to you about the "facts," or do you just not care when he does it?
I'm seriously trying to get into the mindset of someone who believes stuff that can easily be fact-checked with just a few seconds of effort.
em2nought wrote:Since then I think I've noticed an uptick in people wondering if so many sources promoted that lie for so long what else might be a lie.
Serious question - why do you care about honesty when you support a candidate who claims babies are being executed after they're born (false). Or claimed that 20 million immigrants entered the country last year (false, not even close). Or dozens of other claims that can be easily fact-checked and debunked?
Do you actually believe Trump is telling the truth, and the entire rest of the world is lying to you about the "facts," or do you just not care when he does it?
I'm seriously trying to get into the mindset of someone who believes stuff that can easily be fact-checked with just a few seconds of effort.
Yes, PLEASE answer that as honestly as you can. I would love to know so I can get possibly get some context into my Dad's brain since I have been dying to ask him this (but it always elevates to yelling before we get there).
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:28 am
by Zarathud
Hell, nothing I’ve joked about is worse than what Leno or Carson would have said on TV.
Anyway, I believe there is a difference when jokes are funny and observational rather than cheap and stereotypical.
I see that our former Republican friends rushed back to crow about Biden being weak, then snuck away when pwning the libs wasn’t easy anymore. I was raised with the view that if you dish it out, you have to be able to take it. Because mamma didn’t like hypocrites or crybabies.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:31 am
by hepcat
I still firmly believe that those who left are overwhelmingly people who framed their opinions as insults to others (dems) and were pissed off when they received a response in the same tone. Of course there are people here on the dem side who have trolled too, but that’s going to happen when the ratio is that far off. But I don’t think that’s the majority in the least.
Zarathud wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:28 am
Anyway, I believe there is a difference when jokes are funny and observational rather than cheap and stereotypical.
Don’t you DARE take couch fucking away from me!
….er….you know what I mean.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:33 am
by Zarathud
The open secret is that illegal immigrants paying into but not drawing from Social Security is critical to keeping retiree benefits. The “replacement” by citizen births is necessary to partially offset (at best) any immigration reduction. MAGA policy mostly fixes problems it creates — including denying immigration reform.
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:38 am
by Carpet_pissr
hepcat wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:31 am
I still firmly believe that those who left are overwhelmingly people who framed their opinions as insults to others (dems) and were pissed off when they received a response in the same tone. Of course there are people here on the dem side who have trolled too, but that’s going to happen when the ratio is that far off. But I don’t think that’s the majority in the least.
Yeah, I hate to potentially insult the same people I am trying to bring back in, but IIRC, a lot of it was again, very similar behavior to my Dad. When presented with facts in the face of the so many lies they constantly hear from Tucker, Trump and Co, the typical reaction is...anger. I have probed this so many times with my Dad, begging him to respond with ANY kind of back up, and all he says (in a very childish, pouting tone I might add) is "Go look it up!!!" Basically bowing out of the discussion.
The pattern, as I perceive it is:
1. Dad gets CONSTANT bombardment of lies by Fox News and worse (local hyper "conservative" radio shows that are all OVER the dial where he lives)
2. He agrees with much of that because he "feels" it's right and/or aligns with a world the way he wants it to be
3. He will occasionally bring "info" heard from these sources up with me, and I will counter with either facts, or ask him to present ANY kind of facts that back up his assertion.
4. He blows up and pouts and tells me to "go look it up, it's true, you are being lied to".
Re: The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:39 am
by Carpet_pissr
hepcat wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:31 am
Don’t you DARE take couch fucking away from me!
….er….you know what I mean.
