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theohall wrote:Unagi, cleared by Wolf West, voted for bb2112 early.
Chaosraven, cleared by Wolf West, voted for bb2112 early.
Lassr, conveniently left himself out of the early vote list for bb2112.
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Very convenient that Lassr did not mention any of them when reviewing the bb2112 lynch.[/]
After the Hunter shoots Remus West, my votes are going towards one of those three.
And given that list, Remus West is likely the Berzerker, which is why they had him faking the Seer role.theohall wrote:The other guy Lassr did not mention who was really on the bb2112 train, Lord Mortis. He has been doing the same as Remus West in pointing his finger at Vorret.
So those are my 4 wolf candidates after Remus West dies.
Unagi
Chaosraven
Lassr
Lord Mortis
I would not be surprised to find the other two wolves there.
I was surprised by this list as well but you'd have thought he saw the potential coming.Lassr wrote:BB had 4 votes on him when he last spoke then these 6 voted before he was able to speak again.
pr0ner, Qantaga, redrun, El Guapo, Lagom Lite, Remus West
all on that list are identified except Pr0ner...with Remus being a wolf.
I don't see any gained a switcharoo, but then it's not my choice to make, much like scanning bb2112 over Q.Lassr wrote:and if it is the ole switcharoo then shoot Grund and lynch Remus. I wouldn't put it past these two to have the non zerker come out knowing Grund will probably get lynched eventually then he could go boom.
I meant before N-1. I mean during his exchanges as he was taking on more and more heat.theohall wrote:Because Remus West lynched him at N-1, just like he lynched El Guapo.
There is a possibility El Guapo was the Hunter... assuming the Hunter has not shot Remus West already. (Still reading to catch up)
I don't think I have it in me to go over it again.theohall wrote:Ummmm....what?? The wolves always win in your two scenarios. So what the heck are you saying about this odd even thing?
I wouldn't be surprised to find one. I would be surprised if all three wolves were on bb2112. Especially because Scoop (and someone else but I don't remember who) was closer when his train got rolling. The end of the chain exemplifies how easy it was get him to n-1 without wolves.theohall wrote:The other guy Lassr did not mention who was really on the bb2112 train, Lord Mortis. He has been doing the same as Remus West in pointing his finger at Vorret.
So those are my 4 wolf candidates after Remus West dies.
Unagi
Chaosraven
Lassr
Lord Mortis
I would not be surprised to find the other two wolves there.
bb2112 "liked your list". I don't know if it was from scanned innocents or scanned evils, though I do believe he concurred with you after Remus claimed seer.Lagom Lite wrote:One thing I've noticed when playing these games is that generally, villagers think up much more elaborate conspiracy theories than the wolves do. So I'm going to Occam's Razor this scenario a bit:
Remus is probably the Berzerker wolf, and should be shot. There's a chance the wolves were clever and sent forward a non-zerker, but only a chance.
Why did Remus step forward? The wolves must have felt in dire straits. The only reason I can think of is that my list was actually frighteningly accurate, and they needed to distract us from it.
So maybe we should lynch Chaosraven. Although I'm still fine with Grundbegriff, because the above plays are just the kind of stuff he's done before as a wolf. The fact that he's pointed out - twice! - that "he wouldn't come up with a fool plan like that" is precisely what I'd expect him to say.
Don't know if it stands to reason but as good a list as any and better than many.Lagom Lite wrote:It stands to reason that Scoop, Chaosraven, purge, LordMortis and/or Vorret are wolves, with an emphasis on Scoop and Chaosraven.
This is where the Q's "The story of" would come in handy.Chaosraven wrote:I would guess he wasn't the Hunter either, as the Furbies seem to be looking for one.Lagom Lite wrote:Newcastle wasn't the Seer.
(Logic: killing Special if Hunter known to be dead, rather than working thru Unknown Pile)
my comment was about who voted after BB last spoke, I was trying to figure out why BB did not mention he was the seer. At the time he spoke he had 4 votes and probably didn't feel threatened. The 6 kill votes piled on before he came back.theohall wrote:Unagi, cleared by Wolf West, voted for bb2112 early.
Chaosraven, cleared by Wolf West, voted for bb2112 early.
Lassr, conveniently left himself out of the early vote list for bb2112.
Very convenient that Lassr did not mention any of them when recording
After the Hunter shoots Remus West, my votes are going towards one of those three.
and I agree with this. We have a wolf in hand and he should be shot. If the hunter wants to go the other route I think Grund would be my target.LordMortis wrote:I don't see any gained a switcharoo, but then it's not my choice to make, much like scanning bb2112 over Q.Lassr wrote:and if it is the ole switcharoo then shoot Grund and lynch Remus. I wouldn't put it past these two to have the non zerker come out knowing Grund will probably get lynched eventually then he could go boom.
Remus is probably the Berzerker wolf, and should be shot. There's a chance the wolves were clever and sent forward a non-zerker, but only a chance.
I don't want to incite false hopes. I'm not the Hunter. I'm a simple villager.theohall wrote:Grundbegriff may be the Hunter. He checks in sporadically enough, he might be waiting to see what everyone has to say.
The only unknown dead guy is El Guapo.pr0ner wrote:I wonder if the Hunter is dead and unscanned if he hasn't shot by now.
Futuretheohall wrote:The only unknown dead guy is El Guapo.pr0ner wrote:I wonder if the Hunter is dead and unscanned if he hasn't shot by now.
Holman - Sorcerer
Newcastle - villager
bb2112 - Seer
Qantaga - villager per Mentalist
triggercut - Medium per himself. Wolves had to kill him to prevent a bb2112 seance.
Leaving El Guapo.
Darn kindle Swype.theohall wrote:Forgot Bakhtosh - wolftheohall wrote:The only unknown dead guy is El Guapo.pr0ner wrote:I wonder if the Hunter is dead and unscanned if he hasn't shot by now.
Holman - Sorcerer
Newcastle - villager
bb2112 - Seer
Qantaga - villager per Mentalist
triggercut - Medium per himself. Wolves had to kill him to prevent a bb2112 seance.
Leaving El Guapo.
pr0ner wrote:I wonder if the Hunter is dead and unscanned if he hasn't shot by now.
I agree with Occam's Razor as to why Remus came forward (ie: wolves were worried, berserker came forward hoping to out and kill the seer). However, I think list or no list the wolves were in a very bad position - the sorcerer and a wolf were already dead, so a few seer scans would have assured the win, even if the seer only found good players. Thus I'm less sure that the lists caused the wolf actions.Lagom Lite wrote:One thing I've noticed when playing these games is that generally, villagers think up much more elaborate conspiracy theories than the wolves do. So I'm going to Occam's Razor this scenario a bit:
Remus is probably the Berzerker wolf, and should be shot. There's a chance the wolves were clever and sent forward a non-zerker, but only a chance.
Why did Remus step forward? The wolves must have felt in dire straits. The only reason I can think of is that my list was actually frighteningly accurate, and they needed to distract us from it.
So maybe we should lynch Chaosraven. Although I'm still fine with Grundbegriff, because the above plays are just the kind of stuff he's done before as a wolf. The fact that he's pointed out - twice! - that "he wouldn't come up with a fool plan like that" is precisely what I'd expect him to say.
I think you need to ask Baktosh about that.Chaosraven wrote:Have we EVER lynched a silent player and gotten a bad guy?
But Lassr goes on to post throughts about several players. He and I were in each other's face on day one, but he's not completely focused on me, however...Lassr wrote:After a week of observations here are the few things that I took note of that could be something or could be nothing.
We'll start with my redrun vote:
RMC really tries to get the train rolling:Remus West wrote: redrun
seems awfully confrontational which is very out of character for him. Right now I'm torn between him and Mr. Rational himself, theohall.
Baktosh comes along and shovels coal:RMC wrote:After the long weekend, I somehow agree with Remus saying that redrun seems defensive. While not horribly so, he seems a little more aggressive in his defense.
So:
Withdraw El Guapo
redrun
Now scoop be a good little follower, and switch your vote as well.
Bakhtosh wrote: Withdraw RMC
I still think RMC & Theohall are likely candidates for wolf, but redrun
is literally howling.
Baktosh goes after RMC (and Triggercut), then we get:bb2112 wrote:Ok, I will not be voting for Remus, Chaosraven or myself today. Thanks!RMC wrote:Remus, BB2112, ChaosRaven are my top three guesses. Followed by everyone else not named RMC.bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think are the wolves?
Oh, I think that Holman is not a wolf.
That's about all I got. Who do you think is a wolf?
RMC keeps covering for Remus one day one (after naming Remus as a suspect), and Remus doesn't like it:RMC wrote:I usually push for Remus on day one. But the last game he was not a wolf, and helpful. So I say we give him a pass for day one. We can always off him on day two.Chaosraven wrote:everybody wrote:How can you people let Remus West live? You know that's always a bad idea.
Remus West wrote:What have we done that is not suspicious? That is probably a better way to approach today. Once someone has been lynched and we have gotten to see how and why folks pushed it that way then we will have some information. Which is why Newcastle's poems are worse than his usual stuff since they are giving us nothing as to the why which is the most important part.RMC wrote:Really? BB and Remus? What has you thinking them?Newcastle wrote:suspicious people
BB, remus, unagi
daylight bright
And Unagi, I guess I didn't see anything about him either.
I highly doubt BB had scanned a wolf and stayed quiet when Remus came out as the seer. He could have netted us 2 wolves at once leaving only 1 to defend himself against the village horde. He in all likelihood had 2 villagers and was hoping for one more night before revealing.redrun wrote:RMC. Wolf number three?
Page 3: BB2112 throws a question to RMC at start of day one, leading me to suspect he scanned RMC. His response to RMC's reply... a followup to RMC's known skill at finding wolves, or a shout-out that RMC is evil? I dunno.
and if one of his scans was dead then I can understand even more why he may have chosen to stay quiet. 1 more scan then reveal and then another scan with protection then another scan and the medium contact him if killed.Lassr wrote:I highly doubt BB had scanned a wolf and stayed quiet when Remus came out as the seer. He could have netted us 2 wolves at once leaving only 1 to defend himself against the village horde. He in all likelihood had 2 villagers and was hoping for one more night before revealing.redrun wrote:RMC. Wolf number three?
Page 3: BB2112 throws a question to RMC at start of day one, leading me to suspect he scanned RMC. His response to RMC's reply... a followup to RMC's known skill at finding wolves, or a shout-out that RMC is evil? I dunno.
Why? Remus West and Lord Mortis have actively painted Vorret as evil when we already know Remus West is evil. The last person who should be on anyone's list based on prior postings is Vorret. IMO, Lord Mortis has over played his hand. Chaosraven, with his now silent role after being cleared by Wolf West raises major red flags. A good Chaosraven actually posts information about who has posted what. That is stunningly absent in this game.redrun wrote:I'm still on the fence about Vorret, Lassr. More Vorret than Lassr at this point. Only 11 pages into the re-read at this point.
This is all true..But you omitted all the posts where I really want to lynch Remus. <shrug> I don't get home tonight until late, but should be able to do a little more research and post everything.redrun wrote:RMC. Wolf number three?
Page 3: BB2112 throws a question to RMC at start of day one, leading me to suspect he scanned RMC. His response to RMC's reply... a followup to RMC's known skill at finding wolves, or a shout-out that RMC is evil? I dunno.Baktosh goes after RMC (and Triggercut), then we get:bb2112 wrote:Ok, I will not be voting for Remus, Chaosraven or myself today. Thanks!RMC wrote:Remus, BB2112, ChaosRaven are my top three guesses. Followed by everyone else not named RMC.bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think are the wolves?
Oh, I think that Holman is not a wolf.
That's about all I got. Who do you think is a wolf?RMC keeps covering for Remus one day one (after naming Remus as a suspect), and Remus doesn't like it:RMC wrote:I usually push for Remus on day one. But the last game he was not a wolf, and helpful. So I say we give him a pass for day one. We can always off him on day two.Chaosraven wrote:everybody wrote:How can you people let Remus West live? You know that's always a bad idea.Remus West wrote:What have we done that is not suspicious? That is probably a better way to approach today. Once someone has been lynched and we have gotten to see how and why folks pushed it that way then we will have some information. Which is why Newcastle's poems are worse than his usual stuff since they are giving us nothing as to the why which is the most important part.RMC wrote:Really? BB and Remus? What has you thinking them?Newcastle wrote:suspicious people
BB, remus, unagi
daylight bright
And Unagi, I guess I didn't see anything about him either.
And I am entertained. Assuming you will be the target tonight, it would be good to get an accounting of your thoughts before days end.Chaosraven wrote:stessier: I shoot Remus West in the face.
everybody else: The Hunter was in D.C. this week.
I'll be very interested to see all the posts where you really want to lynch Remus.RMC wrote:This is all true..But you omitted all the posts where I really want to lynch Remus. <shrug> I don't get home tonight until late, but should be able to do a little more research and post everything.redrun wrote:RMC. Wolf number three?
Meanwhile if you do lynch me, remember this when I turn up villager.
About that number of wolves still alive...stessier wrote: There are 12 villagers + 3 wolves alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is July 3rd at 1pm Eastern time (please check my math).