Octopus Overlords

theohall wrote:Interesting that nobody currently has a vote on redrun, in spite of the "he's a wolf" talk about him.

Never mind. I can't read.

Looks like its going to redrun and qantaga are on deck as the most, so I'll add my voice to  redrun 
 



Just like qantaga, but I guess they are as good as anyone else.

Ahh day one how have I missed you.
Redrun is as good as any so we can get some knowledge going forward.

 Redrun 
 

Day 1 Vote Count
Votes required for lynch - 11

Against redrun (6) - Lassr, Remus, RMC, Bakhtosh, tru1cy, Vorret
Against Qantaga (4) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven, Lagom Lite
Against Newcastle (2) - El Guapo, pr0ner
Against theohall (2) - Unagi, LordMortis
Against El Guapo (1) - Scoop
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

(I'm in a training class this entire week)

Frankly, the redrun train would look better to me if bb2112 hadn't hopped on it after how he described hopping on the Theohall train.

Theohall's 'poking the silents', "C'mon, that's what we do!!", approach is exactly the mundane move he would use to hide as a wolf.

The theohall train is better. All Aboard !!

Unagi wrote:(I'm in a training class this entire week)

Frankly, the redrun train would look better to me if bb2112 hadn't hopped on it after how he described hopping on the Theohall train.

Theohall's 'poking the silents', "C'mon, that's what we do!!", approach is exactly the mundane move he would use to hide as a wolf.

The theohall train is better. All Aboard !!

Uhhh...if stessier's post is correct bb2112 is not on the redrun train. He is voting Qantaga. As is redrun.

Qantaga - looking more and more evil to me - but more from the way folks are following and voting then his own activity. I want him up on the block to see what we learn.

Lassr - I still think he is guilty - he thinks I am guilty. Maybe we're both wrong, maybe only Lassr is.

Tru1cy is trending evil.

RMC, Trending evil again.

El Guapo... might be evil. Might be a villager of some sort.

Remus and Chaos - weird interplay. I don't know what is going on. Remus is trending towards evil, Chaos is trending towards fluff... so, it's normal for Chaos to spend a lot of time in the fluff zone, but normally he comes out of it at some point. Hey Chaos - who is being too quiet this game day? Who is flying under the radar? I'd just like to see something solid from you to look at.

Baktosh - he could be mistaken and trying to sound sure, or he could be evil and trying to push a lie. I'm leaning towards the former. Disclaimer - I've rarely played with Baktosh and have no idea of his normal style.

IMO. YMMV.

If you were a wolf, and you had a choice between lynching Qantaga and Redrun (assuming that neither of them is a wolf) - which would you vote for? I know that I am not a wolf. I don't know what Qantaga is.

Remus West wrote:

Unagi wrote:(I'm in a training class this entire week)

Frankly, the redrun train would look better to me if bb2112 hadn't hopped on it after how he described hopping on the Theohall train.

Theohall's 'poking the silents', "C'mon, that's what we do!!", approach is exactly the mundane move he would use to hide as a wolf.

The theohall train is better. All Aboard !!

Uhhh...if stessier's post is correct bb2112 is not on the redrun train. He is voting Qantaga. As is redrun.

If? IF???????
How dare you question the infallibility of Stessier, the Generally Right!?!?!

Bam!

stessier wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Unagi wrote:(I'm in a training class this entire week)

Frankly, the redrun train would look better to me if bb2112 hadn't hopped on it after how he described hopping on the Theohall train.

Theohall's 'poking the silents', "C'mon, that's what we do!!", approach is exactly the mundane move he would use to hide as a wolf.

The theohall train is better. All Aboard !!

Uhhh...if stessier's post is correct bb2112 is not on the redrun train. He is voting Qantaga. As is redrun.

If? IF???????
How dare you question the infallibility of Stessier, the Generally Right!?!?!

Bam!

stessier wrote:

Lassr wrote:Replace the redrun vote against redrun with Remus....

So close...

Thanks!

Not that you've never been wrong before.

triggercut wrote:

stessier wrote:Day 1 Vote Count

Spoiler:

• Scoop acc Qantaga (1)
  Bakhtosh acc Newcastle (1)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  tru1cy acc Grundbegriff (1)
• Lassr acc redrun (1)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Lagom Lite acc Chaosraven (2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle (2)
  Bakhtosh wd Newcastle (1)
• Bakhtosh acc RMC (1)
  Vorret acc Grundbegriff (2)
  redrun acc Lassr (1)
• El Guapo acc Newcastle (2)
  RMC acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite wd Chaosraven (1)
  Lagom LIte acc Scoop (1)
  Unagi acc pr0ner (1)
• pr0ner acc Newcastle (3)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
  bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
  Scoop wd Qantaga (1)
  Scoop acc Newcastle (4)
  theohall wd Chaosraven (0)
  theohall acc Grundbegriff (3)
  bb2112 wd Qantaga (0)
  bb2112 acc Newcastle (5)
• Newcastle acc Grundbegriff (4)
  Lagom LIte wd Scoop (0)
  Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff (5)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc Qantaga (1)
  Unagi wd pr0ner (0)
• Unagi acc theohall (1)
  LordMortis wd Qantaga (0)
  LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Vorret wd Grund (4)
  bb2112 wd Newcastle (4)
  bb2112 acc Lagom LIte (1)
  Scoop wd Newcastle (3)
• Scoop acc El Guapo (2)
• trig acc Scoop (1)
  theohall wd Grund (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (2)
  Lagom wd Grund (1)
  Lagom acc Scoop (2)
  theohall acc Unagi (1)
  LordMortis wd theohall (1)
• Qantaga acc Lagom Lite (2)
  bb2112 wd Lagom Lite (1)
  bb2112 acc theohall (2)
  redrun wd Lassr (0)
• redrun acc Qantaga (1)
  bb2112 wd theohall (1)
• bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
• Chaos acc Qantaga (3)
  Remus wd Newcastle (2)
• Remus acc redrun (2)
  Lagom wd Scoop (1)
• Lagom acc Qantaga (4)
  theohall wd Unagi (0)
• theohall acc bb2112 (1)
  RMC wd El Guapo (0)
• RMC acc redrun (3)

Votes required for lynch - 11

Against Qantaga (4) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven, Lagom Lite
Against redrun (3) - Lassr, Remus, RMC
Against Newcastle (2) - El Guapo, pr0ner
Against theohall (1) - Unagi
Against El Guapo (1) - Scoop
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against RMC (1) - Bakhtosh
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

So...wait. 17 players. 9 needed to swing someone.

Only 12 people have a registered vote on this update, so of the 12 people putting a hat in the ring, they need 9 to agree.

That's going to be tough to do!

stessier wrote:There are 17 Villagers & 4 wolves for a total of 21 players. Thus, the majority is 11.

Ok, does this hit anyone funny?

Remus West wrote:

stessier wrote:

Lassr wrote:Replace the redrun vote against redrun with Remus....

So close...

Thanks!

Not that you've never been wrong before.

Hence my title as Stessier the Generally Right.

I mean, the OP has 22 listed (with one dead, of course).

The post he quoted has 21 names in it.
It even SAYS eleven required to lynch.

How exactly does one miss 4 people?

And coincidentally enough... 17 Nonwolves and 4 Wolves.

Hmmm...

Reading off the list of 17 People from the wrong forum?

Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

He's Cylon, obviously.

Probably about time to get off of Newcastle, as this isn't going anywhere and not yielding any interesting info at this point. Semi-arbitrary list of people I could vote for at this point:

Grundbegriff
bb2112
pr0ner
Chaosraven
theohall
redrun

Redrun's not a bad choice...but right now at least my gut says that he's human poking around for wolves, so I think I'll pass on that for now. I think

 Theohall 
 


is worth checking out.

Oh, and  withdraw Newcastle 
 
.

Are we still requiring the withdrawal of accusations? Seems like a lot of people just accuse another person without withdrawing previous accusations.

redrun wrote:Chaos is trending towards fluff... so, it's normal for Chaos to spend a lot of time in the fluff zone, but normally he comes out of it at some point. Hey Chaos - who is being too quiet this game day? Who is flying under the radar? I'd just like to see something solid from you to look at.

I am S00per Sekrit Sneaky Agent Man. But as my name hits MANY lists, I don't think "flying under the radar" is applicable.

So here you go.

total nonwolfraven wrote:It's not me, dude.

El Guapo wrote:Oh, and  withdraw Newcastle 
 
.

Are we still requiring the withdrawal of accusations? Seems like a lot of people just accuse another person without withdrawing previous accusations.

It's appreciated as it means I don't have to go looking for whom you had the vote on previously, but not required.

stessier wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Oh, and  withdraw Newcastle 
 
.

Are we still requiring the withdrawal of accusations? Seems like a lot of people just accuse another person without withdrawing previous accusations.

It's appreciated as it means I don't have to go looking for whom you had the vote on previously, but not required.

If I keep you happy do I get an extra vote?

Unagi wrote:(I'm in a training class this entire week)

Me, too. (In four different cities in four days, no less).

I'll catch up tonight.

Chaosraven wrote:

redrun wrote:Chaos is trending towards fluff... so, it's normal for Chaos to spend a lot of time in the fluff zone, but normally he comes out of it at some point. Hey Chaos - who is being too quiet this game day? Who is flying under the radar? I'd just like to see something solid from you to look at.

I am S00per Sekrit Sneaky Agent Man. But as my name hits MANY lists, I don't think "flying under the radar" is applicable.

So here you go.

total nonwolfraven wrote:It's not me, dude.

I wasn't accusing you of flying under radar, I was asking you to analyize the other players.

Let's try again. I think there are a number of players using Suuper CEEcrit C0D3s in this game, some based on frequency and fluffyness of posting. Do you think you can find these codes?

This is a pace I can keep up with.

redrun wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:

redrun wrote:Chaos is trending towards fluff... so, it's normal for Chaos to spend a lot of time in the fluff zone, but normally he comes out of it at some point. Hey Chaos - who is being too quiet this game day? Who is flying under the radar? I'd just like to see something solid from you to look at.

I am S00per Sekrit Sneaky Agent Man. But as my name hits MANY lists, I don't think "flying under the radar" is applicable.

So here you go.

total nonwolfraven wrote:It's not me, dude.

I wasn't accusing you of flying under radar, I was asking you to analyize the other players.

Let's try again. I think there are a number of players using Suuper CEEcrit C0D3s in this game, some based on frequency and fluffyness of posting. Do you think you can find these codes?

Weird.

!edoc ym kcarc lliw eno oN

El Guapo wrote:!edoc ym kcarc lliw eno oN

But why Remus?

Vorret wrote:

El Guapo wrote:!edoc ym kcarc lliw eno oN

But why Remus?

Because everyone likes to point at me. I'm the default member of all evil lists right now. Guapo just didn't want to be left out.

Heeeyyyyyyy wait a minute. His post was clearly pointing at Scoop. You tricked me.

Chaosraven wrote:Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

No, you might be on to something.

Stessier mentions 17 VILLAGERS left alive when setting his deadline.

Triggercut mentions 17 PLAYERS.

There is a difference.

pr0ner wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

No, you might be on to something.

Stessier mentions 17 VILLAGERS left alive when setting his deadline.

Triggercut mentions 17 PLAYERS.

There is a difference.

A slip? Did someone find a slip? <shrug> I always hate making something out of these things. But how many wolves have we netted because of mistakes like this?

I am willing to switch to Triggercut, it is certainly better logic than my current logic on why I am voting for redrun.

RMC wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

No, you might be on to something.

Stessier mentions 17 VILLAGERS left alive when setting his deadline.

Triggercut mentions 17 PLAYERS.

There is a difference.

A slip? Did someone find a slip? <shrug> I always hate making something out of these things. But how many wolves have we netted because of mistakes like this?

I am willing to switch to Triggercut, it is certainly better logic than my current logic on why I am voting for redrun.

It's not really better logic.

El Guapo wrote:

RMC wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

No, you might be on to something.

Stessier mentions 17 VILLAGERS left alive when setting his deadline.

Triggercut mentions 17 PLAYERS.

There is a difference.

A slip? Did someone find a slip? <shrug> I always hate making something out of these things. But how many wolves have we netted because of mistakes like this?

I am willing to switch to Triggercut, it is certainly better logic than my current logic on why I am voting for redrun.

It's not really better logic.

Well no it's not, if you want to get all technical. But it is a different guess with different reasoning.

El Guapo wrote:

RMC wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Oh wait.

That big old glaring 17 Villagers left.

Nevermind.

No, you might be on to something.

Stessier mentions 17 VILLAGERS left alive when setting his deadline.

Triggercut mentions 17 PLAYERS.

There is a difference.

A slip? Did someone find a slip? <shrug> I always hate making something out of these things. But how many wolves have we netted because of mistakes like this?

I am willing to switch to Triggercut, it is certainly better logic than my current logic on why I am voting for redrun.

It's not really better logic.

No, but it's something I'd act on.

 withdraw newcastle 
 


 Triggercut 
 

Chaosraven wrote:He's Cylon, obviously.

[Best game show announcer voice]Ooohhh, thank you for playing. It was "he's Empire, obviously" that we were looking for. Tell Chaosraven what he could have won, Remus.[/Best game show announcer voice]

 withdrawal El Guapo 
 
 accuse triggercut 
 
You can thank me later, triggercut.

Yeah, I made a HUGE slip of not remembering how many folks are playing (since the numbers were changing even after I signed up) and being too lazy to check the front page before posting because I was on a tablet.

But we do have a slip.

pr0ner or Scoop is a wolf.

I'm betting pr0ner is just playing badly here.

My vote stays on Scoop.

If we all vote Triggercut, will he explode? How can he TP everyone??



Looking through the votes, I'm not happy with Unagi going after Theohall. That's my territory, and I'm kind of hurt.

Also a little concerned how the whole "If I can't start a train" comment went without notice.

What is our deadline again?

Right then, let's have a look at what's been said so far. I'll give this whole thread a brisk re-read.

Now, this is Day 1. Normally when I do a late-game re-read I look very much at relationships between known good, known evil and dead players. I can't really do that now - only Holman is dead and he was probably killed with very little rationale.

These are the factors I will thusly consider at this point in the game:


A. Player history.

If a player's behavior is very different from his behavior in past games (or similar to his previous behavior as a wolf), this may mean a player is a wolf. However, we all evolve as Werewolf players and sometimes one wants to try something new.


B. Aggression vs defensiveness.

Unpowered villagers tend to be aggressive. Wolves instead tend to be defensive. In any exchange between players, who is doing the digging and who is trying to deflect suspicion from himself?


C. Apathy vs non-committal.

Unpowered villagers tend to not care if they are threatened with lynching. It's even a bit comforting to get lynched when you're innocent and the village is ganging up on you ("I'm innocent. They'll see"). Wolves will try to wriggle out of a lynch if at all possible, even the Berzerker. Also, wolves are non-committal which isn't the same as apathetic. Wolves will throw their vote around until it sticks, and will generally switch targets without care (unless it's one of their own). They're sly, manipulative and opportunistic.


One other thing to consider: Valuable good specials (Seers, shooters) tend to smell like wolves, following the above criteria.

Page 2 (night)

Newcastle wrote:night has fallen
arguments persist
game is afoot

Some has taken Newcastle's banter as something wolfy. I think it's neither. It might even be wolf-bait.

Unagi wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Unagi wrote:I just realized that we will not be told crap on death, because of the medium.

While that's fun - it's also not.

I like it because then you can follow along and speculate regarding current events even if you have been killed. Then if you get contacted by the Medium you can share your thoughts. It allows everyone to play until the end (or the use of the Medium).

I think that's why I don't like it. I don't want to have to keep up after I die but if the Medium contacts you, you are going to want to have something... but most likely - they won't, so keeping up will be sorta a waste.

I'd rather just be spoiled. That being said - I love having a medium in the game, cause it's cool to be able to hear from someone that would have normally been 'silenced' by their death.
So, I like the game piece - I just don't like waiting.

You know what? This sentiment seems genuine. If it's a wolfy move, it's a very good one - if Unagi posted this as a wolf, he is pre-empting suspicion that may come up towards him later in the game, which is enormously far-fetched. A wolf would never be seanced by the medium.

El Guapo wrote:How hard is it to choose a kill on night zero? Is it who tells the funniest joke in the village? The least funny joke?

This on the other hand, seems fake, contrived & opportune. Many people submits night orders, not just wolves.

Vorret wrote:

El Guapo wrote:How hard is it to choose a kill on night zero? Is it who tells the funniest joke in the village? The least funny joke?

I saw they should take the first name in the list, AKA not me.

Vorret strikes me as weird too. Too jolly on page 2, which betrays concern about his possibly impending doom. I'm sorting him as "defensive".

Lassr wrote:

El Guapo wrote:How hard is it to choose a kill on night zero? Is it who tells the funniest joke in the village? The least funny joke?

So you know for a fact the wolves are holding up the game?

Possibly true, my orders are in though...

This is the second time in the thread that Lassr claims (night-time) to be "submitting orders". That means he's either an unpowered villager, clumsily trying to get night-killed, or a good special trying to double-bluff, or a wolf trying to joke. I'll be watching Lassr's behavior to see if there is any consistency.

Trending good:
Unagi

Trending evil:
El Guapo
Vorret

Page 3

The nervousness of Vorret:

Vorret wrote: Newcastle 
 

Vorret wrote:Am I too soon?

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:Night has fallen...

...and it can't get up!

At least one of those smilies is insincere.


Dawn breaks.

bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think are the wolves?

An odd thing to say, but it's aggressive.

Trending good:
bb2112?
Unagi

Trending evil:
El Guapo
Vorret

Page 4

The day 1 votes fly around. Few seems serious. Not much to say about those, really.

bb2112 wrote:

RMC wrote:

bb2112 wrote:RMC, who do you think are the wolves?

Remus, BB2112, ChaosRaven are my top three guesses. Followed by everyone else not named RMC.

Oh, I think that Holman is not a wolf.

That's about all I got. Who do you think is a wolf?

Ok, I will not be voting for Remus, Chaosraven or myself today. Thanks!

 Lord Mortis 
 


He is going to beg for death sooner or later and I feel in a generous mood.

Ah, right, So that's the follow-up to his previous question. Removing him from aggressive bracket.

triggercut wrote:Hmm. Possible that Holman was a Grundbegriff "I can't read this guy, so let's get rid of him" first night kill. See: Lite, Lagom.

Equally possible that the wolves want us to think that, so they chose Holman for that reason.

Also possible that Grundbegriff would be smart enough to know that we'd think of this and thus chose Holman, thinking we'd think he'd been framed.

Just as possible that the badguys knew that we'd think Grundbegriff would be smart enough to think he'd been framed....


Yeah, I got nothing.

Re-reading this post, it goddamn stinks. He throws out a lengthy hypothesis that says nothing. It begins with "Hmm" and ends with "Yeah, I got nothing." This, folks, is non-committal & manipulative. He's trying to look like he's contributing but is in reality saying nothing, not digging.

triggercut wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:

triggercut wrote:Hmm. Possible that Holman was a Grundbegriff "I can't read this guy, so let's get rid of him" first night kill. See: Lite, Lagom.

? I don't think Grundbegriff has any trouble reading me. And if he does, why not kill me.

You're trying something, aren't you.

Nope. Just remembering from another game where Grund or Unagi or Lassr or someone said that you were their wildcard, the hardest player for them to read.

Now, a proper response to my question would be to question my motives. triggercut instead elects to defend himself. It's also flattery, which is manipulative.

pr0ner wrote:

Unagi wrote:Why Holman ? Weren't you supposed to hammer us with that, Newcastle? in verse.

It was Holman because Scoop didn't want to kill me on back to back Night Zeros.

I kind of like this line by pr0ner...

Qantaga wrote:

Lassr wrote: Only wolves read all the rules...

We've caught more that one wolf red-handed who displayed that they absolutely did not read the rules.

I kind of like this line by Qantaga... it's extroverted, aggressive.

Remus West wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:I kind of enjoy it!

The only thing I take from it is to see how folks react to him. Information which is useless to me currently. I think maybe I'll try and fix that issue.
 Newcastle 
 


I'm not fond of the long posts of what ifs that have no chance of being tested but this gives us the same level of nothing regarding his thoughts on others and less regarding him. May as well start there.

This is very constructive by Remus.

Remus West wrote:

Qantaga wrote:

bb2112 wrote: Ok, I will not be voting for Remus, Chaosraven (or myself) today.

This is in direct conflict with your usual Day 1 philosophy.

This is twisting that situation. Before that post bb2112 had asked RMC to list his suspects. bb2112 was merely poking fun at RMC as "always wrong". Why twist that into a conflict on his usual behavior rather than taking it as the joke it was pretty obvious he was attempting to make?

Aggression by Remus, which is good. Says little about Qantaga really, but the sentiment seems pure.

Qantaga wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Qantaga wrote:

bb2112 wrote: Ok, I will not be voting for Remus, Chaosraven (or myself) today.

This is in direct conflict with your usual Day 1 philosophy.

This is twisting that situation. Before that post bb2112 had asked RMC to list his suspects. bb2112 was merely poking fun at RMC as "always wrong". Why twist that into a conflict on his usual behavior rather than taking it as the joke it was pretty obvious he was attempting to make?

It's not twisting at all, especially given that RMC proved definitively last game that he is not always wrong.

In the past, bb has always expressed "pleasure" in voting for you or Chaos, yet now he (jokingly or otherwise) states that he will not vote for either of you.

I also find it interesting that you are answering for him.

The normal Chaos/bb/Remus (and on the periphery LM/redrun) "It will be funny to see one of them go before me" game condition has seemingly been checked at the door this game.

Qantaga's reply is equally aggressive, and regards others much more than himself.

Scoop20906 wrote:

pr0ner wrote:

Unagi wrote:Why Holman ? Weren't you supposed to hammer us with that, Newcastle? in verse.

It was Holman because Scoop didn't want to kill me on back to back Night Zeros.

LOL, you are completely wrong about that. LOL

Strikes me as a little bit defensive, if in a Scoopish way.

Trending good:
Unagi
pr0ner?
Qantaga
Remsu West (I feel dirty for suggesting it)

Trending evil:
triggercut
El Guapo
Vorret
Scoop