Octopus Overlords

If you're saying what I think you're saying then you/we would be better off with having had the brother with votes on him coming out than having you come out.

At the same time, I think it's an interesting play and one I'm williing to go with, if only because you are saying there are two bothers in your good group.

 withdraw theo 
 


if I have to go with you list then I like  Vorret 
 
best, I think.

Now the question is, is best for the whole cabal to come out after waiting for a dispute (which I don't see coming).

Lagom Lite wrote:
wrote stuff

Lagom Lite wrote:Maybe, baby:
triggercut?
purge?
Newcastle?
LordMortis?
Vorret?

Bad guys:
El Guapo
Scoop20906
Chaosraven
Bakhtosh

Looks like a very interesting play. I still don't trust bb2112 or Unagi, though. Will leave my vote on triggercut for the various reasons others have posted in addition to his reactions.

Guess I better do this:

 withdraw Lagom Lite 
 

The theohall quandary: is he theo, just being theo and being totally unmoveable from any ridiculous position he takes in a game...

...or is he play acting as himself?

Screw it.

 theohall 
 

LordMortis wrote:If you're saying what I think you're saying then you/we would be better off with having had the brother with votes on him coming out than having you come out.

They may have votes on them, they may not. I came out because people would otherwise question my motives, and I just made myself a point of discussion by going back through the thread as much as I did, claiming these guys are good and those aren't. I want to avoid that.

LordMortis wrote:At the same time, I think it's an interesting play and one I'm williing to go with, if only because you are saying there are two bothers in your good group.

They're not that bothersome.

LordMortis wrote:Now the question is, is best for the whole cabal to come out after waiting for a dispute (which I don't see coming).

Nope, they're better off hidden and there's no need for them to come forward. Even if the wolves kill me tonight one of my brothers could step forward and you could trust him implicitly (since you know there are currently two alive + me, if I'm dead tomorrow there are still two Cabalists who could dispute a wolf Cabalist claim).

Interesting.
Can't risk voting redrun in that case.

 withdraw redrun 
 


slippery slip
 Triggercut 
 

 Withdraw Lagom Lite 
 


Re-reading...

Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

really...

triggercut wrote:Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

Train jumping?
Redrun is in LL good list who may contain another member of the Cabal, why would I risk lynching him?

Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

Train jumping?
Redrun is in LL good list who may contain another member of the Cabal, why would I risk lynching him?

Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

Would you care to introduce some logic to this?

Redrun what?

sheesh,  withdraw redrun 
 

triggercut wrote:

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

Train jumping?
Redrun is in LL good list who may contain another member of the Cabal, why would I risk lynching him?

Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

Would you care to introduce some logic to this?

Redrun what?

Lagom says his good list contains other Cabal.
Redrun is in his good list.

Part 2 :
You remove your vote for LL
Vote for Theo
Vote for me

I change my vote
You call me for train jumping


But who was logic?

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

Train jumping?
Redrun is in LL good list who may contain another member of the Cabal, why would I risk lynching him?

Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

Would you care to introduce some logic to this?

Redrun what?

Lagom says his good list contains other Cabal.
Redrun is in his good list.

Part 2 :
You remove your vote for LL
Vote for Theo
Vote for me

I change my vote
You call me for train jumping


But who was logic?

You seem to have me confused with tru1cy. Until I responded to your post, I'm not sure I've even typed redrun's name in this thread, and if so I certainly have never accused him of anything.

Your dismay is showing, Vorret.

It's ok. You can tell us. You're a wolf.

triggercut wrote:

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:

Vorret wrote:

triggercut wrote:Based on Lagom's list, I guess I had better  withdraw theohall 
 


Instead,

 Vorret 
 


He's train-jumping.

Train jumping?
Redrun is in LL good list who may contain another member of the Cabal, why would I risk lynching him?

Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

Would you care to introduce some logic to this?

Redrun what?

Lagom says his good list contains other Cabal.
Redrun is in his good list.

Part 2 :
You remove your vote for LL
Vote for Theo
Vote for me

I change my vote
You call me for train jumping


But who was logic?

You seem to have me confused with tru1cy. Until I responded to your post, I'm not sure I've even typed redrun's name in this thread, and if so I certainly have never accused him of anything.

Your dismay is showing, Vorret.

It's ok. You can tell us. You're a wolf.

I'm not confused.
You vote for me because I'm train jumping when you're jumping even more than I am!

I changed my vote from Redrun to You (for the reason stated above) and strangely you decide to vote for me right after I do that.

I don't like your play LL. Well, I guess I more do not like your timing of it.

 withdraw redrun 
 


I do not doubt your claim as they are not going to try faking a group and a single Cabal member outed to counter you would be a poor trade for them if you were lying but I do not like this. You just cut off too many avenues of discussion.

Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

tru1cy wrote:Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

The wolves cannot afford to do 1:1 trades with villagers this early in the game.

I put the likelihood of LL being the Zerker at a number approaching zero.

tru1cy wrote:Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

Let someone come out and contradict LL. I'll be happy to risk exchanging a Cabal for a wolf today. We could even cut them to quick and trade 3 for 3.

Vorret wrote: I'm not confused.
You vote for me because I'm train jumping when you're jumping even more than I am!

I changed my vote from Redrun to You (for the reason stated above) and strangely you decide to vote for me right after I do that.

There we go! I knew if we fished this pond long enough, I'd get an explanation I understood.

triggercut wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

The wolves cannot afford to do 1:1 trades with villagers this early in the game.

I put the likelihood of LL being the Zerker at a number approaching zero.

I said highly unlikely.. probably more annoyed at the early reveal

 withdraw redrun 
 

I think that was a good play , LL. Earlier, I had also thought how it may be good for a single cabal to step forward.

I assume Holman was not one of the cabal.
And... Since one of my biggest aversion to this vote was that you (pre-claim) were also interested in it; I'm suddenly pretty OK with it.
 Scoop 
 

stessier wrote:Day 1 Vote Count

Spoiler:

• Scoop acc Qantaga (1)
  Bakhtosh acc Newcastle (1)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  tru1cy acc Grundbegriff (1)
• Lassr acc redrun (1)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Lagom Lite acc Chaosraven (2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle (2)
  Bakhtosh wd Newcastle (1)
  Bakhtosh acc RMC (1)
  Vorret acc Grundbegriff (2)
  redrun acc Lassr (1)
  El Guapo acc Newcastle (2)
  RMC acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite wd Chaosraven (1)
  Lagom LIte acc Scoop (1)
  Unagi acc pr0ner (1)
  pr0ner acc Newcastle (3)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
  bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
  Scoop wd Qantaga (1)
  Scoop acc Newcastle (4)
  theohall wd Chaosraven (0)
  theohall acc Grundbegriff (3)
  bb2112 wd Qantaga (0)
  bb2112 acc Newcastle (5)
• Newcastle acc Grundbegriff (4)
  Lagom LIte wd Scoop (0)
  Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff (5)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc Qantaga (1)
  Unagi wd pr0ner (0)
• Unagi acc theohall (1)
  LordMortis wd Qantaga (0)
  LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Vorret wd Grund (4)
  bb2112 wd Newcastle (4)
  bb2112 acc Lagom LIte (1)
  Scoop wd Newcastle (3)
  Scoop acc El Guapo (2)
• trig acc Scoop (1)
  theohall wd Grund (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (2)
  Lagom wd Grund (1)
  Lagom acc Scoop (2)
  theohall acc Unagi (1)
  LordMortis wd theohall (1)
• Qantaga acc Lagom Lite (2)
  bb2112 wd Lagom Lite (1)
  bb2112 acc theohall (2)
  redrun wd Lassr (0)
• redrun acc Qantaga (1)
  bb2112 wd theohall (1)
• bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
• Chaos acc Qantaga (3)
  Remus wd Newcastle (2)
• Remus acc redrun (2)
  Lagom wd Scoop (1)
  Lagom acc Qantaga (4)
  theohall wd Unagi (0)
• theohall acc bb2112 (1)
  RMC wd El Guapo (0)
• RMC acc redrun (3)
• LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Bakhtosh wd RMC (0)
• Bakhtosh acc redrun (4)
• tru1cy acc redrun (5)
• Vorret acc redrun (6)
  El Guapo wd Newcastle (1)
• El Guapo acc theohall (3)
  pr0ner wd Newcastle (0)
• pr0ner acc triggercut (1)
  Scoop wd El Guapo (0)
• Scoop acc triggercut (2)
  Lagom wd Qantaga (3)
• Lagom acc El Guapo (1)

Votes required for lynch - 11

Against redrun (6) - Lassr, Remus, RMC, Bakhtosh, tru1cy, Vorret
Against Qantaga (3) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven
Against theohall (3) - Unagi, LordMortis, El Guapo
Against triggercut (2) - pr0ner, Scoop20906
Against El Guapo (1) - Lagom Lite
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

Now then, Vorret.

Describe for me the "train" I've just jumped on that involves you.

Does it look like this?



(That is, where are the other cars in this alleged "train"?)

LordMortis wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

Let someone come out and contradict LL. I'll be happy to risk exchanging a Cabal for a wolf today. We could even cut them to quick and trade 3 for 3.

If LL is countered, it would be great. And I would suggest the seer then scanned either and the hunter shoot based on results, etc.

But that is NOT going to happen.

Remus West wrote: I do not doubt your claim as they are not going to try faking a group and a single Cabal member outed to counter you would be a poor trade for them if you were lying but I do not like this. You just cut off too many avenues of discussion.

I disagree. Doing this early actually helps, IMO.

Vorret wrote:Interesting.
Can't risk voting redrun in that case.

 withdraw redrun 
 


slippery slip
 Triggercut 
 

"Slippery slip", eh?

triggercut wrote:

stessier wrote:Day 1 Vote Count

Spoiler:

• Scoop acc Qantaga (1)
  Bakhtosh acc Newcastle (1)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  tru1cy acc Grundbegriff (1)
• Lassr acc redrun (1)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Lagom Lite acc Chaosraven (2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle (2)
  Bakhtosh wd Newcastle (1)
  Bakhtosh acc RMC (1)
  Vorret acc Grundbegriff (2)
  redrun acc Lassr (1)
  El Guapo acc Newcastle (2)
  RMC acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite wd Chaosraven (1)
  Lagom LIte acc Scoop (1)
  Unagi acc pr0ner (1)
  pr0ner acc Newcastle (3)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
  bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
  Scoop wd Qantaga (1)
  Scoop acc Newcastle (4)
  theohall wd Chaosraven (0)
  theohall acc Grundbegriff (3)
  bb2112 wd Qantaga (0)
  bb2112 acc Newcastle (5)
• Newcastle acc Grundbegriff (4)
  Lagom LIte wd Scoop (0)
  Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff (5)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc Qantaga (1)
  Unagi wd pr0ner (0)
• Unagi acc theohall (1)
  LordMortis wd Qantaga (0)
  LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Vorret wd Grund (4)
  bb2112 wd Newcastle (4)
  bb2112 acc Lagom LIte (1)
  Scoop wd Newcastle (3)
  Scoop acc El Guapo (2)
• trig acc Scoop (1)
  theohall wd Grund (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (2)
  Lagom wd Grund (1)
  Lagom acc Scoop (2)
  theohall acc Unagi (1)
  LordMortis wd theohall (1)
• Qantaga acc Lagom Lite (2)
  bb2112 wd Lagom Lite (1)
  bb2112 acc theohall (2)
  redrun wd Lassr (0)
• redrun acc Qantaga (1)
  bb2112 wd theohall (1)
• bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
• Chaos acc Qantaga (3)
  Remus wd Newcastle (2)
• Remus acc redrun (2)
  Lagom wd Scoop (1)
  Lagom acc Qantaga (4)
  theohall wd Unagi (0)
• theohall acc bb2112 (1)
  RMC wd El Guapo (0)
• RMC acc redrun (3)
• LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Bakhtosh wd RMC (0)
• Bakhtosh acc redrun (4)
• tru1cy acc redrun (5)
• Vorret acc redrun (6)
  El Guapo wd Newcastle (1)
• El Guapo acc theohall (3)
  pr0ner wd Newcastle (0)
• pr0ner acc triggercut (1)
  Scoop wd El Guapo (0)
• Scoop acc triggercut (2)
  Lagom wd Qantaga (3)
• Lagom acc El Guapo (1)

Votes required for lynch - 11

Against redrun (6) - Lassr, Remus, RMC, Bakhtosh, tru1cy, Vorret
Against Qantaga (3) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven
Against theohall (3) - Unagi, LordMortis, El Guapo
Against triggercut (2) - pr0ner, Scoop20906
Against El Guapo (1) - Lagom Lite
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

Now then, Vorret.

Describe for me the "train" I've just jumped on that involves you.

Does it look like this?



(That is, where are the other cars in this alleged "train"?)

I'm now officially confused, what am I supposed to look at here in the vote tally?

LordMortis wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Conspiracy theory – Lagom Lite could be the Bezerker and if another player pops up claiming Cabal and discredit LL and we decide to vote him down he could zerk on the Seer if they scanned him on night 0. Highly unlikely, but I don’t like this play of early exposure on a special that was hardly garnering much attention, imo

Let someone come out and contradict LL. I'll be happy to risk exchanging a Cabal for a wolf today. We could even cut them to quick and trade 3 for 3.

They might do that to kill the seer, but if they've scanned the seer already (itself unlikely) I assume they'd just kill him quietly in the night. No real need to do the zerker trade to kill the seer.

El Guapo wrote:

Vorret wrote:Interesting.
Can't risk voting redrun in that case.

 withdraw redrun 
 


slippery slip
 Triggercut 
 

"Slippery slip", eh?

I like the way it rolls off the tongue

Unagi wrote:I think that was a good play , LL. Earlier, I had also thought how it may be good for a single cabal to step forward.

I assume Holman was not one of the cabal.
And... Since one of my biggest aversion to this vote was that you (pre-claim) were also interested in it; I'm suddenly pretty OK with it.
 Scoop 
 

In fact, LL has said that both of the other cabal members are alive, so Holman was not a cabalist.

Hey...why wasn't I invited to join the cabal?

El Guapo wrote:

Unagi wrote:I think that was a good play , LL. Earlier, I had also thought how it may be good for a single cabal to step forward.

I assume Holman was not one of the cabal.
And... Since one of my biggest aversion to this vote was that you (pre-claim) were also interested in it; I'm suddenly pretty OK with it.
 Scoop 
 

In fact, LL has said that both of the other cabal members are alive, so Holman was not a cabalist.

Hey...why wasn't I invited to join the cabal?

We didn't think you'd be interested in the initiation rite. It involves spending five minutes with me in closet.

Also, you use words we don't understand and are therefore evil.

Lagom Lite wrote: Also, you use words we don't understand and are therefore evil.

I could learn Swedish!

Vorret wrote:
Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

When I think of "train jumping", it is a wolf who is hopping aboard a vote train against a villager (like me) in an attempt to help get that goodguy lynched while hiding amongst others.

There are already multiple votes on me. Not many, but a few.

I saw your vote on me as jumping on that train.

I am now, and remain, the sole vote against you.

Lagom Lite wrote: I am the Grand Master of the Cabal.

It would take a fool for this to be a fake, and Lagom is not a fool.
I'll be busy today, but I'll get an updated threat list out and a new vote by end of day Friday (hopefully sooner).
I think this play has some useful possibilities - I'm interested to see where it leads.

 Withdraw Qantaga 
 

triggercut wrote:

Vorret wrote:
Actually, now that you say that, I'm also voting for you for train jumping , as of now.

When I think of "train jumping", it is a wolf who is hopping aboard a vote train against a villager (like me) in an attempt to help get that goodguy lynched while hiding amongst others.

There are already multiple votes on me. Not many, but a few.

I saw your vote on me as jumping on that train.

I am now, and remain, the sole vote against you.

Ahhh, I see, I read it as someone who changes his vote multiple times. Makes more sense now.

Oh and you're not alone, LM is your vote buddy

El Guapo wrote:Hey...why wasn't I invited to join the cabal?

Does it have anything to do with the Sonic Chicken Club?

....

And on a different note I had assumed there were going cabalists in the silent club (aka LLs maybe list). The only silent who passed LLs trial was Grund. Which makes the grund on again off again interesting. Only the people that puppydogged Grund on the LLs on again off again vote are all leaning goods.

theohall wd Grund (3)
tru1cy wd Grund (2)
Lagom wd Grund (1)

/very much wishes theo wasn't on LLs good list.

redrun wrote:It would take a fool for this to be a fake, and Lagom is not a fool.

Why does that sound like a Shakespearean insult? Are you still caught in Newcastle's lyric?

Unagi wrote:

Remus West wrote: I do not doubt your claim as they are not going to try faking a group and a single Cabal member outed to counter you would be a poor trade for them if you were lying but I do not like this. You just cut off too many avenues of discussion.

I disagree. Doing this early actually helps, IMO.

Really? So with a week to go before the dealine rather than waiting until folks had been online to look at his posts he goes from causing a big splash (I like that part of the play) to explaining the splash before anyone gets wet and we can detect the bad guys by the smell of wet dog.

Lagom is handing us a known as no wolf is going to fake Cabal day 1. Yet he had plenty of time to do so and still allow a trap to develop.

I'd vote Unagi right now but he is part of "the group" I can not longer vote for since 20% of them are Cabal.
Also, I have first hand knowledge of how poorly it works to follow the "known" in this ruleset.

I'm debating asking the rest of the Cabal to come out. If they do then the Seer knows he doesn't need scan them. The Hunter can try protecting one of them as long as an odd number are alive (don't do it when there are 2 because if you guess wrong then the wolves will get the third right away although they won't know if you guessed wrong or not so....). Then we can go ahead and lynch whomever we want rather than be hemmed in.