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They are hoping the threat of conservative moms stopping their kids from listening to Taylor Swift and other artists like her is that it will hit her and her label in the pocketbook and intimidate them into staying quiet.Jaymann wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:54 pm And Fox is doubling down on attacking Taylor Swift. It's almost like they want DonOld to lose. And she hasn't even announced her endorsement yet (though there was a not too subtle picture of her with a silhouette of Harris). Maybe she is waiting for the convention to put it over the top.
LOL. As though moms of any political bent can get between their daughters and T. Swift…waitingtoconnect wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:38 pmThey are hoping the threat of conservative moms stopping their kids from listening to Taylor Swift and other artists like her is that it will hit her and her label in the pocketbook and intimidate them into staying quiet.Jaymann wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:54 pm And Fox is doubling down on attacking Taylor Swift. It's almost like they want DonOld to lose. And she hasn't even announced her endorsement yet (though there was a not too subtle picture of her with a silhouette of Harris). Maybe she is waiting for the convention to put it over the top.
But is it enough to get msduncan to vote for Harris?msduncan wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:13 am I've confessed this fact on here before, but I've discovered over the past couple years that I'm a Swiftie. That is to say that I'm an admitted out of the closet Taylor Swift fan. I can't help it.
She writes/creates good music and she does things like no other singer. While the Kanyes of the world shelter themselves from reality and toss down superiority edicts to the masses, Taylor Swift continues to invite fans into her home for private screenings, responds to many of them over social media, surprises some of them with Christmas presents, etc. etc. She doesn't have to do any of this stuff, but she does because she says it keeps her grounded and brings some normalcy to her otherwise very not-normal world.
I used to have a rule about albums that before I would purchase one it would have to have at least 3 songs that I really liked (back when we used to buy albums in stores). Taylor Swift's 1989 album has smashed that standard and continues to put out songs that I enjoy.
Anyway... She just put out a new video and it compelled me to put out an admiration thread again.
Wildest Dreams
It's been criticized by the new class of perpetually offended people we have in this country as being 'racist' because it takes place in Africa but features white people. I took a look and it is set in 1950s Hollywood film backdrop and appears in no way racist to me.
Yellowking: SHAKE IT OFF!
This. Just like they did in 2020 and 2016...waitingtoconnect wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:32 pm illegal aliens and people who shouldn’t be allowed to vote are intending to help Kamala rig the election
Her dance moves and laughs are satanic messaging to call out the immunised. These calls activate the bill gates designed microchips implanted in these people encouraging them to vote early and often. It’s the lack of religious education in our schools and the teaching of maths and science that makes people more susceptible to what the liberals call “common sense”. “Common sense” and “appealing to civic duty” blunts the effectiveness of alternative facts.LordMortis wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:50 pmThis. Just like they did in 2020 and 2016...waitingtoconnect wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 4:32 pm illegal aliens and people who shouldn’t be allowed to vote are intending to help Kamala rig the election
I'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
They’ve always been here sadly. Nativist movements have existed politically since the Know nothings in the mid 1800s before the civil war.Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
You make some good points but consider:Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
Yep, consider the progression, in this example starting with the (modern) Tea Party > Freedom Caucus > MAGA> Can't wait to see what comes next! Each one of those was worst than the last IMO (for the country as a whole, I think, not just for the Democrats/liberals/progressives that had to deal with them).YellowKing wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:44 pm Movements come and go. MAGA will die, something else will take it place. I don't think anyone is suggesting that right-wing ideology as a whole is going to disappear in a puff of smoke, but certainly movements which are unable to field electable candidates are forced to evolve.
MAGA-type extremism has always been with us and always will be, but it spends most of its time marginalized, if not actually hiding.Jaymann wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:37 pmYou make some good points but consider:Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
Comey and his October surprise may have cost HRC the election.
After a disastrous 4 years of DonOld he was exposed for what he is.
The existential threat of his re-election was enough to elect Biden.
That threat is still there (with some doubling down) to motivate the electorate.
Harris is wildly more popular than Biden.
The MAGAs have never been close to a majority, but have gamed the system for minority rule.
They have stepped a bridge too far in essentially outlawing abortion.
I am not so sure a MAGA wannabe can replace DonOld and get away with the things he spouts off.
Politics is always a pendulum, but at this moment in time, IMO it is swinging in the direction of sanity.
Why u tempt fate?Hyena wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 7:34 pm My one consolation in this is if Harris/Walz win, at least we know there's no way in hell HE can run again.
Or the daughters can get between their Moms and T. Swift! Have you seen videos from her concerts???? Huge Mom+daughter thing.Zaxxon wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:40 pmLOL. As though moms of any political bent can get between their daughters and T. Swift…waitingtoconnect wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:38 pmThey are hoping the threat of conservative moms stopping their kids from listening to Taylor Swift and other artists like her is that it will hit her and her label in the pocketbook and intimidate them into staying quiet.Jaymann wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 8:54 pm And Fox is doubling down on attacking Taylor Swift. It's almost like they want DonOld to lose. And she hasn't even announced her endorsement yet (though there was a not too subtle picture of her with a silhouette of Harris). Maybe she is waiting for the convention to put it over the top.
I don't think this is one susceptible to a firm conclusion one way or the other, but I fundamentally disagree with your premise. MAGA is a cult of personality. There is no one that can step into Trump's shoes. No one.Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
I'd be surprised by Taylor. Tho, if it leaked that she might, and TFG attacks he? Then maybe that forces her...Holman wrote:I won't be surprised if we see both Taylor and Beyonce at the DNC.
Let's see Trump wish away those viewership ratings.
Musk?Kurth wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:59 pm I don't think this is one susceptible to a firm conclusion one way or the other, but I fundamentally disagree with your premise. MAGA is a cult of personality. There is no one that can step into Trump's shoes. No one.
I'm with Kurth on this. I realize we will be hearing from "them" for years after Trump - but this is his movement. When the "MTGs" try to grab the wheel, they all tear each other to pieces.LordMortis wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:55 amMusk?Kurth wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:59 pm I don't think this is one susceptible to a firm conclusion one way or the other, but I fundamentally disagree with your premise. MAGA is a cult of personality. There is no one that can step into Trump's shoes. No one.
I disagree. MAGA is not here to stay, because is it solely a personality cult built around Donald Trump. When he goes, MAGA goes. I do agree that populism is here to stay, but I don’t right now see anyone able to channel and use it like Trump. If he loses, it will be interesting to see where the Republican Party goes.Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
So you think if Trump kicked it tomorrow, MAGA and all the momentum, ideology and cultural camaraderie and like-mindedness (anger and fear about losing their status at the top of the cultural food chain) that they have found would just *poof* disappear? Wishful thinking. These people are FIRED UP and ANGRY, as I am sure you know. An army full of bitter male and female Karens does not just simply "go away" IMO, once rattled and stirred into action.Grifman wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:46 amI disagree. MAGA is not here to stay, because is it solely a personality cult built around Donald Trump. When he goes, MAGA goes. I do agree that populism is here to stay, but I don’t right now see anyone able to channel and use it like Trump. If he loses, it will be interesting to see where the Republican Party goes.Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
Quite literally NOT what he said.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:16 am So you think if Trump kicked it tomorrow, MAGA and all the momentum, ideology and cultural camaraderie and like-mindedness (anger and fear about losing their status at the top of the cultural food chain) that they have found would just *poof* disappear?
I think he can answer for himself, since it was a question, not restating what he said.Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:17 amQuite literally NOT what he said.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:16 am So you think if Trump kicked it tomorrow, MAGA and all the momentum, ideology and cultural camaraderie and like-mindedness (anger and fear about losing their status at the top of the cultural food chain) that they have found would just *poof* disappear?
I will (obviously) not get in the way of him answering for himself, I just felt your reply took his statement a little too far.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:19 am I think he can answer for himself, since it was a question, not restating what he said.
Also "When he goes, MAGA goes." That's a literal quote.
My argument is that while Trump was the lightning rod that sparked "MAGA" into existence, it already existed in a less organized way, in the sludge of the fringes. Now that they are coalesced, I don't see them dissolving with or without him. The hate, fear and bitterness is too strong. The ideas are are old as the hills. MAGA is (now) much bigger than Trump. And while he obviously is the OG deplorable whisperer, there will be someone else to take the realm once he's out of the picture. Preferably in a jail cell somewhere, but however.Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:25 am I think the word "MAGA" means a whole lot and probably isn't helpful for this specific question.
Have the idiots found each other? YES - and they will always have their MAGA hats.
Will they have a unified voice of hate and gel behind one man that makes everyone fear him? No.
Don't forget, hate and fear sells. If it didn't then you wouldn't see advertisers on Fox News, on conservative radio, and new right-wing TV news channels. There's money to be made in stoking the fires of hate and fear and that's not going away when Trump leaves.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:37 amMy argument is that while Trump was the lightning rod that sparked "MAGA" into existence, it already existed in a less organized way, in the sludge of the fringes. Now that they are coalesced, I don't see them dissolving with or without him. The hate, fear and bitterness is too strong. The ideas are are old as the hills. MAGA is (now) much bigger than Trump. And while he obviously is the OG deplorable whisperer, there will be someone else to take the realm once he's out of the picture. Preferably in a jail cell somewhere, but however.Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:25 am I think the word "MAGA" means a whole lot and probably isn't helpful for this specific question.
Have the idiots found each other? YES - and they will always have their MAGA hats.
Will they have a unified voice of hate and gel behind one man that makes everyone fear him? No.
I think we all agree that his biggest contribution was to let these people feel ok about their terrible worldviews. And not to just feel ok, but to be open and vocal about those views. That's not something only Trump can do, but he did it first. There is now a roadmap for others without his "first mover" status, "charisma" (ugh), and whatever X factor you want to assign to him.
No, the issues that gave rise to MAGA would still be there, as well as the people that hold to these beliefs. However, as I stated -and you ignored - populism would still be there. I never said the issues or the people would go away as you seem to think I did.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:16 amSo you think if Trump kicked it tomorrow, MAGA and all the momentum, ideology and cultural camaraderie and like-mindedness (anger and fear about losing their status at the top of the cultural food chain) that they have found would just *poof* disappear? Wishful thinking. These people are FIRED UP and ANGRY, as I am sure you know. An army full of bitter male and female Karens does not just simply "go away" IMO, once rattled and stirred into action.Grifman wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:46 amI disagree. MAGA is not here to stay, because is it solely a personality cult built around Donald Trump. When he goes, MAGA goes. I do agree that populism is here to stay, but I don’t right now see anyone able to channel and use it like Trump. If he loses, it will be interesting to see where the Republican Party goes.Carpet_pissr wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:13 pmI'm of the strong opinion that MAGA is here to stay, because it's not a Donald Trump thing anymore. He just brought it to the forefront and showed that people can openly be their inner assholes, and still win a general election. Also, this is a global trend, it's not just here. Anti-democracy trends are way up in the past x years, all over the place. Right-wing populism is a lot older than Trump, and will be around long after his sorry ass is dead.Kraken wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:03 pm I hope that carries over to congressional races as well. A Harris administration with a blue Congress would be a wonderful thing, and a knockout blow for MAGA. So much losing!
Again I will point to trends outside of our own little sphere, and how those similar trends have nothing at all to do with Trump. Unless you think he's some kind of Peter Wiggin character, and this global movement started and ends with JDT?
And "here to stay" needs some qualification I think: in the short to medium term at least...not talking about 50 years from now (God help us).
while fear sells, what I think we do see is that some people stop buying, especially as it keeps getting pushed.raydude wrote:Don't forget, hate and fear sells. If it didn't then you wouldn't see advertisers on Fox News, on conservative radio, and new right-wing TV news channels. There's money to be made in stoking the fires of hate and fear and that's not going away when Trump leaves.Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:37 amMy argument is that while Trump was the lightning rod that sparked "MAGA" into existence, it already existed in a less organized way, in the sludge of the fringes. Now that they are coalesced, I don't see them dissolving with or without him. The hate, fear and bitterness is too strong. The ideas are are old as the hills. MAGA is (now) much bigger than Trump. And while he obviously is the OG deplorable whisperer, there will be someone else to take the realm once he's out of the picture. Preferably in a jail cell somewhere, but however.Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:25 am I think the word "MAGA" means a whole lot and probably isn't helpful for this specific question.
Have the idiots found each other? YES - and they will always have their MAGA hats.
Will they have a unified voice of hate and gel behind one man that makes everyone fear him? No.
I think we all agree that his biggest contribution was to let these people feel ok about their terrible worldviews. And not to just feel ok, but to be open and vocal about those views. That's not something only Trump can do, but he did it first. There is now a roadmap for others without his "first mover" status, "charisma" (ugh), and whatever X factor you want to assign to him.
