Octopus Overlords

theohall wrote:

bb2112 wrote:I explained my thoughts on why this is different. Purge doesn't shut up when he is a good special. He disappears when he is evil. If I'm wrong, then what did we lose? Although I explain my reasoning again, I really don't expect you, or anyone else really, to follow it. Do what you want, Theo.

I will, especially when you write stuff similar to what purge and tru1cy wrote on the spaceship.
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bb2112 
 

Convincing you of facts is like peeing in the wind, isn't it.

bb2112 wrote:

theohall wrote:

bb2112 wrote:I explained my thoughts on why this is different. Purge doesn't shut up when he is a good special. He disappears when he is evil. If I'm wrong, then what did we lose? Although I explain my reasoning again, I really don't expect you, or anyone else really, to follow it. Do what you want, Theo.

I will, especially when you write stuff similar to what purge and tru1cy wrote on the spaceship.
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bb2112 
 

Convincing you of facts is like peeing in the wind, isn't it.

When I was right about purge and tru1cy being wolves, although I screwed up not sticking with a tru1cy vote, yes. Keep on pissing. The attitude expressed in your posts currently is the same attitude those two wolves expressed.

I'm done pissing into the wind with you. You either get it, or you don't.

Busy Saturday for you guys.

I could do the Purge vote. This game is reminiscent of the BSG game in the way he is approaching it. Hiding in the shadows.

I know in the BSG game he had real life conflicts though.

bb2112 wrote:I'm done pissing into the wind with you. You either get it, or you don't.

Which is strikingly similar to the attitude purge expressed before being lynched.

Dude, I am not Purge. If ever I become Purge, then your comment might make sense. But I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

Qantaga wrote:
From Lagom's list, I think the two least likely to contribute and provide ongoing data are purge and  Bakhtosh 
 

Bak or Scoop were the two from that I was most willing to test today.

I'll join you.  Bakhotosh 
 

One by one, you've blindly hung you.
Cast the evil from among you.

redrun, LordMortis, Scoop were three I wanted to vote for today. For silents Bakhtosh or Purge will work.

We need to get a consensus soon so I'm not going to go off and place a lone vote somewhere that will do us no good.

Lassr wrote:redrun, LordMortis, Scoop were three I wanted to vote for today. For silents Bakhtosh or Purge will work.

We need to get a consensus soon so I'm not going to go off and place a lone vote somewhere that will do us no good.

That's OK because I have you pegged as wolf. But you are protected by LL for now.

I am thinking of placing a vote on Bakhtosh for being silent as well at this point.

Sure.

 Baktosh 
 


(you guys sure you want to let remus live?)

Unagi wrote:

Qantaga wrote:
From Lagom's list, I think the two least likely to contribute and provide ongoing data are purge and  Bakhtosh 
 

Bak or Scoop were the two from that I was most willing to test today.

I'll join you.  Bakhotosh 
 

Yeah, let's get something done before the deadline for once.

 Bakhtosh 
 

sure lets rumble the baks'ters cage a bit...

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since this dog wont hunt
 bakedshot 
 

I am curious as to why bb2112 never really replied to Qantaga's post about the Cabal and went on the "kill purge" push. That smells like a wolf changing the subject. The rest of the crowd playing the let's kill a silent thing bugs me when certain things seen so wolfish from others. Why not actually kill someone who looks wolfish vice just silent? It didn't work the last time in terms of finding a wolf and doesn't usually work on Day One.

 Bahktosh 
 

LordMortis wrote:

Lassr wrote:redrun, LordMortis, Scoop were three I wanted to vote for today. For silents Bakhtosh or Purge will work.

We need to get a consensus soon so I'm not going to go off and place a lone vote somewhere that will do us no good.

That's OK because I have you pegged as wolf. But you are protected by LL for now.

Is it okay if I wolf joins this railroad?

Hey, I think I already voted for this guy once and since I have no other concerns today than to simply get Day One over with ...

 withdrawal triggercute 
 
You are welcome, Trig.

 accuse Bahktosh 
 

Scoop20906 wrote:Is it okay if I wolf joins this railroad?

Wot?

pr0ner wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:Is it okay if I wolf joins this railroad?

Wot?

Oops.

Is it okay if A wolf joins this railroad?

Thanks for catching that.

The I key is a long way from the A key.

And that comment is still "wot?" worthy in context whether you're saying "I wolf" or "A wolf".

okay


 Bahktosh 
 

In for silent lynch

 Bahktosh 
 

Looks like 9 so I'll make 10 reserving 11 for LL IIRC

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bakhtosh[/accuese] 
 

Looks like 9 so I'll make 10 reserving 11 for LL IIRC

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bakhtosh 
 

Day 1 Vote Count
Votes required for lynch - 11

Against Bakhtosh (10) - Qantaga, Unagi, Chaosraven, pr0ner, Newcastle, Lassr, SCoop, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis
Against redrun (2) - RMC, Bakhtosh
Against Vorret (1) - triggercut
Against Remus (1) - redrun
Against theohall (1) - El Guapo
Against Purge (1) - bb2112
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes (4) - Purge, Grundbegriff, Remus West, Lagom Lite

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

Getting caught up from the weekend. I have no reason to object to Bakhtosh, which seems unobjectionable as "lynching the silent" is a reasonable day 1 choice. Probably should go down to n-2 until we hear from him though, right?

El Guapo wrote:Getting caught up from the weekend. I have no reason to object to Bakhtosh, which seems unobjectionable as "lynching the silent" is a reasonable day 1 choice. Probably should go down to n-2 until we hear from him though, right?

pr0ner wrote:A question.

Let's say we decide to vote off a silent. Can we, as a group, have the balls for once to just make it happen? Or are we going to get someone to N-2 or N-1 and let the game grind to a halt while we wait for the silent to "have his say"?

I guess El Guapo wants to go with option B here.

I think we were supposed to wait for LL to put the final stroke on, Bakhtosh final moment or not.

pr0ner wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Getting caught up from the weekend. I have no reason to object to Bakhtosh, which seems unobjectionable as "lynching the silent" is a reasonable day 1 choice. Probably should go down to n-2 until we hear from him though, right?

pr0ner wrote:A question.

Let's say we decide to vote off a silent. Can we, as a group, have the balls for once to just make it happen? Or are we going to get someone to N-2 or N-1 and let the game grind to a halt while we wait for the silent to "have his say"?

I guess El Guapo wants to go with option B here.

What's the downside here? The deadline's not until Thursday...do you think that we'll fail to get the 11th vote if we wait until (say) this evening? Especially since we're just coming off the weekend, when some (like myself) don't pay attention. Yeah, Bakhtosh is probably not going to say anything interesting (if at all) but the downside to waiting is just waiting, while the downside to not waiting is potentially missing out on important information (like, special role).

You have a dinner reservation or something?

LordMortis wrote:Looks like 9 so I'll make 10 reserving 11 for LL IIRC

Regardless of pr0ner's:

pr0ner wrote:A question.

Let's say we decide to vote off a silent. Can we, as a group, have the balls for once to just make it happen? Or are we going to get someone to N-2 or N-1 and let the game grind to a halt while we wait for the silent to "have his say"?

I'm all for accelerating the pace of the game and have no desire to let the game grind to a halt. However, it would be foolish to kill Bakhtosh without giving him a chance to share any information he might have.

If we kill him without allowing him to have his say, we will burden the cabal with having to decide whether to scan a possibly good Bakhtosh instead of a wolf kill. We should always want cabal scans reserved for wolf kills, since we have the ability to let the accused speak before they are lynched.

In recent games, Chaos has ChaosraveN-1ed (on purpose) and bb has ChaosraveN-1ed (on accident) and we have killed players without information.

Bakhtosh is N-1. Please do not kill him without hearing if he has anything to say.

So what do we do, sit here and wait until Thursday for Bakhtosh to come in (after not having logged in in almost a week and saying two weeks ago that things would be "back to normal") and "have his say"? Seriously?

LordMortis wrote:I think we were supposed to wait for LL to put the final stroke on, Bakhtosh final moment or not.

I don't understand how waiting on Lagom makes any sense at all. We know where he stands. Why are we waiting to see what he does with his vote?

I had a long shitty weekend (well, actually it just ended really shitty, it started very well) so I'm going to need to reread to see what I think of all the action between now and when I left so I wouldn't be voting anyone right now anyway but seriously, if you really think Bahktosh is the right call for the day the only real argument against offing him right was already made by Qantaga. Lagom shouldn't vote at all if it is possible for us to gain the majority without him.

pr0ner wrote:So what do we do, sit here and wait until Thursday for Bakhtosh to come in (after not having logged in in almost a week and saying two weeks ago that things would be "back to normal") and "have his say"? Seriously?

I didn't say until Thursday - I certainly don't think it wise to risk running up against the deadline. But sooner than this evening seems irrational to me, with the only benefit to that being avoided impatience.

Also I agree with Remus that it seems bizarre to wait for Lagom specifically, since there's no particular helpful information in a Lagom vote for Bakhtosh. If anything anyone *other* than Lagom should cast the kill vote since there's at least some information in that (albeit probably not much).

pr0ner wrote:So what do we do, sit here and wait until Thursday for Bakhtosh to come in (after not having logged in in almost a week and saying two weeks ago that things would be "back to normal") and "have his say"? Seriously?

Seriously, we should give him more time than a Sunday night to early Monday morning window.

There is no reason to rush him to a lynch until at least late tonight or early tomorrow, which usually coincides with Lagom's most frequent online time.

It's ultimately up to Lagom to decide since, if Bakhtosh comes back good without speaking, finding his identity will fall squarely on the cabal.

Anyone other than Lagom who kills Bakhtosh without letting him speak is only helping the wolves.

Qantaga wrote:

pr0ner wrote:So what do we do, sit here and wait until Thursday for Bakhtosh to come in (after not having logged in in almost a week and saying two weeks ago that things would be "back to normal") and "have his say"? Seriously?

Seriously, we should give him more time than a Sunday night to early Monday morning window.

There is no reason to rush him to a lynch until at least late tonight or early tomorrow, which usually coincides with Lagom's most frequent online time.

It's ultimately up to Lagom to decide since, if Bakhtosh comes back good without speaking, finding his identity will fall squarely on the cabal.

Anyone other than Lagom who kills Bakhtosh without letting him speak is only helping the wolves.

What if Bakhtosh is a wolf? What if he's the beserker and we kill him without a chance for him to go boom?

And what makes you think he'll suddenly come back today after having not logged in for a WEEK? The fact that it's Monday morning is irrelevant here.

pr0ner wrote:So what do we do, sit here and wait until Thursday for Bakhtosh to come in (after not having logged in in almost a week and saying two weeks ago that things would be "back to normal") and "have his say"? Seriously?

This I agree with.. These games while fun can be tedious when they grind down and I am all for moving these things along

pr0ner wrote: What if Bakhtosh is a wolf? What if he's the beserker and we kill him without a chance for him to go boom?

There's a 1 in 20 chance that he's the berzerker. There's a 4 in 20 chance that he could be the Seer, Hunter, Medium, or Mentalist.

pr0ner wrote:What if Bakhtosh is a wolf? What if he's the beserker and we kill him without a chance for him to go boom?

This I can get behind. I don't think we need to wait for him. OTOH, what if LL is playing a double blind game and Bakhtosh is Cabal?

Qantaga wrote:

pr0ner wrote: What if Bakhtosh is a wolf? What if he's the beserker and we kill him without a chance for him to go boom?

There's a 1 in 20 chance that he's the berzerker. There's a 4 in 20 chance that he could be the Seer, Hunter, Medium, or Mentalist.

There's also a 4 in 20 chance he's a wolf, period.